Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!

That is, except for getting general clue on what's going on -- and putting a

But, um, isn't that pretty important? Many of the NANOG talks are specifically geared to let vendors know what operators need.

pinch of salt as the view one sees may not necessarily be representative.

How many of ours are?

It's a two way street; vendors need to listen to the ops folks. Ops folks need to participate in the IETF. Yeah, it's often quite frustrating, especially when the vendors have already "packed the rooms" and most ops who came around {don't want to, cant'} spend energy fighting that.

Pekka, give NANOG (the meetings) a try sometime. You might like it, and we're very eager for your input.