I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders. Long ago when the MCSE was more popular, I actually started putting "MCSE need not apply" on job postings because everyone I interviewed that had one was not just clue challenged, but had negative clue. On Fri, 5 Jun 2015, jim deleskie wrote:
Based on the number of "certified" people I've interviewed over the last 20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100%
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> wrote:
We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <nanog@cdl.asgaard.org> wrote:
On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, Łukasz Bromirski wrote:
On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a piece of paper every time!
Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is
On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote: that
the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines “expert” are different than the rest of the world).
Jared, don’t generalize.
True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
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We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter how much we tried to train on the architecture. Eventually in one backbone event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given router because "traceroute worked." When it was pointed out that the potential fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look. We then asked him to explain how traceroute worked. He spectacularly failed.
It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What was boggling was the number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics.
My test, as crass as it is. If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I am pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience. If it's a footnote somewhere, that's ok.
Christopher
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