They are persistent, but by no means the most persistent vendor I work with. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair Mackenzie" <magicsata@gmail.com> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 1:35:13 PM Subject: Re: Input Regarding Cogent and NTT Don't be surprised if cogent contact you for even posting this. They did it to me when I asked for hibernia. On 5 Feb 2015 19:16, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Working on it. ;-)
Being an eyeball network, most of my traffic just goes to NetFlix, Akamai, LimeLight, FaceBook, Google, etc. anyway. Peer what you can peer, Cogent for customer routes, then grab a couple nicer carriers and call it a day.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 12:54:43 PM Subject: Re: Input Regarding Cogent and NTT
By that logic, and giving you the benefit of the doubt that you follow your own advice, you have 15-20 upstreams?
I've never tried that on a standard network with BGP as the only tool. See any interesting operational stuff with that many upstreams?
Also, while many people knock Cogent, I would submit that many people have bad first-hand experiences with Cogent (including me).
Every network has its bad days. Even the best companies screw customers from time-to-time. But the preponderance of evidence is a useful guidepost. Cogent is large, but does not have even half the customers NTT has. Do "lots of people knock NTT"? Given NTT's much larger number of customers, shouldn't that mean they have more knocks?
If not, I submit the disparity is a useful datapoint when choosing a provider.
-- TTFN, patrick
Composed on a virtual keyboard, please forgive typos.
On Feb 5, 2015, at 12:29, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
A lot of people knock Cogent, but the best way to get to Cogent's customer's is probably through Cogent. Given that they do have a very large network, they're worth picking up even if you only use them for customer routes.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Jack Stonebraker" <Jack.Stonebraker@mygrande.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 11:24:59 AM Subject: Input Regarding Cogent and NTT
My organization is currently shopping for some additional Transit Capacity to augment our existing interconnects. We've got around 8 distinct AS's that we're receiving transit routes from, followed by a handful of Public IX's and Private PNI's to AS's that warrant them. That said, the networks that are on our radar are Cogent and NTT. I've done some due diligence poking around on their Looking Glass, but I'd love to hear any user experiences from the community, both from a Layer 3 Perspective, as well as an Operational Perspective (Working with the businesses themselves). Feel free to contact me off-list and thanks in advance for your time.
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