I'm beginning to wonder if the internet will survive the ipv6 adoption debates. Here's the real problem which you all can promptly ignore: The IETF et al are full of bright technical people who can design protocols, packet formats, etc. But many of the major problems facing the internet are not, at their core, engineering problems. They're in the realm of social, legal, marketing, politics, int'l policy, governance, law enforcement, commerce, economics, sociology, psychology, etc. which TBH as bright as many of the engineers et al are these problems are way beyond their ken, occasional polymath excepted. But first you have to admit you have a problem, and limitations. Shouting at the rafters about address space depletion etc while waving RFCs may not quite do it. Similar can be said about spam, malware attacks, phishing, etc. Yet another cryptographic protocol probably won't save the day but as the expression goes when all you have is a hammer the whole world looks like a nail. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*