> On Apr 25, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
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> It seems like just another example of liability shifting/shielding. I'll defer to Actual Lawyers obviously, but the way I see it, Packetstream doesn't have any contractual or business relationship with my ISP.  I do. If I sell them my bandwidth, and my ISP decides to take action, they come after me, not Packetstream. I can plead all I want about how I was just running "someone else's software" , but that isn't gonna hold up, since I am responsible for what is running on my home network, knowingly or unknowingly.

And *that* is *exactly* my concern.  Because those users...('you' in this example)...they have *no idea* it is causing them to violate their ToS/AUP with their provider.

And this in part, is my reason for bringing it up here in NANOG - because (at least some of) those big providers are here.  And those big providers are in the best position to stamp this out (if they think that it needs stamping out).