On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Daniel Senie wrote:
At 10:06 AM 3/24/2005, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 Michael.Dillon@radianz.com wrote:
In any case, it is not important how the message gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN
is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly informed' admins the problem?
Lazy/misguided/ex admins / downsized networks are the problem. ARIN is in a unique position to be able to do something to at least try to mitigate the problem without too much effort before handing "damaged IP space" out to members. The current situation frustrates those who don't know what to do, and encourages them to look elsewhere for the IP space they need.
I think it's important to remember the "lazy/dumb/mistaken/poorly informed" folk alluded to above are NOT the ones receiving IP address space, but people elsewhere in (and all over) the world.
of course, I should have been more clear, sorry :)
The idea of ARIN temporarily lighting address space in any new block, and providing a test target is reasonable, relatively inexpensive and sensible.
this requires the above lazy/dumb/mistaken/poorly-informed masses to want to hit the targets as well, eh? :(
Paying members of ARIN are today negativelty impacted by receiving assignments that remain in filters. It clearly makes little sense for those receiving address space to each have to expend significant time and effort to turn the address space into usable space. As such, the paying customers & members should consider requesting this be a function that could be best handled centrally by ARIN.
I think I'm unclear how having arin/ripe/apnic/iana/god put up pingable/http-able/ftp-able ips from 'new' blocks is going to help, when the problem is at the far-end, and the 'user' or 'admin' there is one of the: "lazy/dumb/mistaken/poorly-informed" who already doesn't care enough to keep their filters up to date. Additionally, there is still the distinction between firewall/acl blocks and 'route filter' blocks. They may have the same effect in the end, but the target for who might have to repair that problem is likely different. -Chris