On Friday, April 05, 1996 2:25 AM, Tim Salo[SMTP:salo@msc.edu] wrote: @> From: Jim Fleming <JimFleming@unety.net> @> To: "'Christian Nielsen'" <cnielsen@vii.com>, "nanog@merit.edu" @> Subject: RE: CIDR,Sprint and the Big Guys. @> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 01:29:10 -0600 @> [...] @> Yes CIDR is a good thing...unfortunately, it does not guarantee that the @> net will grow and aggregate in a rational way. When coupled with the @> "slow start" ISP policy, CIDR helps to rapidly fragment the IP address @> space and in some cases causes poor IP address utilization all in the @> name of "protecting the future of the Internet" or maybe "protecting the @> Internet from ISPs". @> [...] @ @It would appear that there may also be a strong argument that the @tremendous proliferation of [small] ISPs is a significant contributor @to the growth of the size of the Internet routing tables. @ Yes...and assuming some will die for whatever reason...the policies result in small fragments being created with no active way to recover the fragments... by forcing (err coaxing) ISPs to work with "upstream providers" there is a garbage collection mechanism put in place...the upstream provider can watch over part(s) of the address space which is clearly too large for a few people to handle... @Perhaps, the [anticipated] consolidation of ISPs will be a significant @event in the efforts to control routing table size. @ @-tjs @ This is very true...this is the way cities have grown...the way railroads evolved... the way many industries have matured...as the big get bigger, small ISPs will realize that they have to partner to survive...these partnerships may help to improve aggregation, routing, etc...unfortunately, some ISPs will never partner with anyone because they "think" they are going to be the next RBOC...(as we now see, even the RBOCs are partnering to survive and AT&T is de-partnering...) The combined efforts of IANA, the InterNIC and the large "upstream providers" work to perform social (err network) engineering. This works as long as the current philosophy of "creating" and "controlling" scarce resources exists. People focused on getting rich have to "play ball" or die. This same sort of situation exists in the diamond business. All of these "network engineering" efforts take us right back to the centralized telecommunications authoriity that the Internet was designed to dismantle. It is humorous to see the bleeding heart liberal Internauts becoming the new conservative protectors of the net as maturity sets in...this is similar to the hippies and gang members that now are elected officials...people are people, even on the Internet I predict that the Internet will fall into the trap of having the same problems of the system it is displacing...there is a growing centralized "elite" that call the shots in a decentralized way...the shots that are called now are not much different than the shots called by the previous elite and not much different than the shots called by the pre-divestiture elite (called the Bell System). The only way to break this cycle is to apply the same philosophies that built the Internet to dismantling (err bounding ) the Internet...in order to do that, a ruling elite has to be installed, everyone has to sing praises of the great successes, the current system has to be bounded by its own limitations, and a few people have to "think outside of the box"... -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL 60563 e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net