Turns out that BSDi (HTTP and possibly FTP) isn't sending a CR at EOL, but only a LF. That's fine and doesn't break EOL protocol, however the packetshaper isn't pushing the packets through until it gets a CR. The guys at packetshaper are writing a fix for it, but it probably won't hit the release stages for a few weeks. If you're interested in the pre-release fix, and are having the same problems that myself, and other folks are having, contact rick at packeteer support and he can probably get you in on the list. We have about 80% BSDi machines here, so it's a big deal for us including customer platforms. If it's not a big deal for you, I appologize for filling up your nanog box. Thank you, Jonathan A. Zdziarski Sr. Systems Administrator Netrail, inc. 888.NET.RAIL x240