On Fri, May 29, 1998 at 03:48:54PM -0400, Avi Freedman wrote:
It requires $100 worth of someone's time to make two phone calls and/or read two signed service agreements?
Perhaps if ARIN is paying their people $100/hour, yes.
(This is a CLERK's job)
Really? You're going to educate clerks about IP transit? How interesting.
You need to be educated to ask if someone is going to be announcing routes and note the answer? This is a "matrix" problem Avi. If A + B then YES.
I disagree strongly on the "resistor" argument, at least for the initial assignment. Bottom line - if you're announcing networks, you need an ASN. If you're not, you don't. Demonstrate that someone is going to allow you to announce networks, and you get one.
If you want a SECOND one for administrative convenience or whatever, now for THAT I can see charging a significant fee. Why? Because its not *necessary* for you to have a second one. You might WANT a second ASN, you might in fact want several of them for policy routing reasons, but that's not the same thing as a NEED for a second (or subsequent) ASN.
So, what's the criteria? Make a proposal. I don't have a strong problem with charging more for 2nd and subsequent ASNs, but I also think charging something for the reg service is reasonable.
Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin
Avi
Charging reasonable costs (ie: the kind of fee that the Driver License bureau charges, ergo, $10 or so) for the first ASN is reasonable. Charging a lot more (say, $1,000) for the second and subsequent ASNs (or even an increasing fee, say $1k per ASN, so the second is $1k, the third $2k, etc) is also reasonable. Why? Because there are ways to skin the cat that don't require this, and if you're going to use more than a trivial amount of a limited resource then a "resistor" is reasonable on that use. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost