On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, brett watson wrote:
i find in more random testing that i seem to be a minimum of 15 hops from anything, and it's not just the # of hops, it's the *paths* i travel. bouncing between two cities several times, on several different provider networks, from one border to the other.
The only thing I see you can really complain about is the depth of cox's network, and to a lesser extent ATT's and XO's before it gets out to "the internet". As for inefficient routing...I can beat that. My current employer is just a few miles down the road from my previous employer. A traceroute from us to them isn't nearly as many hops as your traceroute, but goes all the way from FL to TX and back to FL. In your case, it would shave a bunch of hops if ATT and XO peered in Dallas, but it's just not cost effective for everyone to peer everywhere. For a while, we were both connected to a local exchange point of sorts.[1] Almost nobody else came, but when we outgrew our connection and wanted to upgrade, the people running the NAP wanted to bend us over for a larger connection, so we left. When the pointy-hairs make peering cost prohibitive, even if the network admins think it'd be a great idea, it doesn't happen. AFAIK, they have no more peering customers. 1. gsvlfl-br-1-e0-53.atlantic.net 0% 3 3 1 0 0 1 2. gsvlflma-br-1-s0-0.atlantic.net 0% 3 3 0 0 0 0 3. orldflma-br-1-s2-0.atlantic.net 0% 3 3 5 4 86 249 4. orldflwcom-br-1-s1-1-1.atlantic.net 0% 3 3 4 4 81 234 5. sl-gw8-orl-3-0-TS11.sprintlink.net 0% 3 3 5 5 5 6 6. sl-bb21-orl-0-0.sprintlink.net 0% 3 3 6 5 5 6 7. sl-bb23-fw-9-3.sprintlink.net 0% 3 3 72 34 47 72 8. sl-bb21-fw-13-0.sprintlink.net 0% 3 3 33 32 33 33 9. 144.232.19.42 0% 2 2 36 35 36 36 10. pos3-0-622M.cr2.DAL1.gblx.net 0% 2 2 35 34 35 35 11. pos0-0-622M.cr1.HOU1.gblx.net 0% 2 2 39 39 39 40 12. pos0-0-155M.ar1.TPA1.gblx.net 0% 2 2 64 64 65 67 13. AgilityBroadband.s4-1-1-4-0.ar1.TPA 0% 2 2 150 80 115 150 14. yoda.fdt.net 0% 2 2 134 83 108 134 [1] The local exchange point was actually the local government owned utility company gone ISP. They sold transit to a few local ISPs and to the local university. They offered peering connections as a sort of NAP. AFAIK, we were the only ones that bought one. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis *jlewis@lewis.org*| I route System Administrator | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________