On 3/19/19, 8:23 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of rfg@tristatelogic.com> wrote: In message <CAL9Qcx7=-eTCJ7yGDT7oO2tkAJGOY3YMtYrtx5A-qH=-gN6vRg@mail.gmail.com>, Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote: >Calling everyone an idiot in the midst of Endless Pontification isn't >really a recipe for success. I did not call "everyone" an idiot. I'm quite completely sure that there are innumerable people in all of the referenced companies who are consumate and hardworking professionals who excel at ther jobs. I do believe however, based on considerable experience and much hard evidence, that the abuse handling departnments at OVH and DigitalOcean, and indeed at essentially -every- sizable hosting company are less than entirely well staffed, less than entirely well trained, less than entirely well funded, and often inadequately effective, either due to their limited willingness or their limited authority, as circumscribed by management, when it comes to the execution of their assigned duties. The abuse handling function at *every* Internet company is the ugly stepchild, ignored whenever possible, and typically starved of resources by management whose overriding consideration is this quarter's P&L statement, and by extension, the nearest upcoming executive bonus period. Regards, rfg Why not just drop any prefixes from the respective ASN's? We had to do that with OVH after the endless attacks coming from their networks, and lack of abuse response. OVH really loves to shift the abuse around to new prefixes; I got tired of spending time staying ahead of it.