Title II is not particularly relevant. It merely permits a claim of the form "Carriage must be provided without discrimination to everyone who pays the fee for carriage. I have paid the fee for carriage, but I am suffering discrimination in the provision of carriage as prohibited by Title II parts such and so". In other words, it merely provides a lazy way for lazy lawyers to make lazy claims without having to think about what they are doing. Since they get another new yacht whether they win or lose, it does not really matter to most of them if they do a bang up job or a shoddy one. In any case, it is a stupid claim. You are not discriminating in carriage, even if Title II were still in force. You are providing non-discriminatory carriage and some other third party is tortuously interfering with a contract. In any case, the entire result would turn on what you do in defense. If you are a schmuck then you simply move for summary judgement on the basis that you are providing carriage and that it is another party that is fracked up, and you, through the goodness of your kind heart, tried to solve the issue on behalf of the complainant, to no effect. Then the complainant has to launch another lawsuit against the correct parties. This could go on for quite a while before managing to hit the correct party -- more likely it would never get anywhere at all. Alternatively, you could make the same defense and cross-claim against all the parties who should have been in the original action. The originating claim needs to be brought against all the possible bad actors simultaneously and the claims plead properly. This would require a lawyer that can think -- something very rare. It would be somewhat expensive and delicate, but it would have certain success. --- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Crapse [mailto:michael@wi-fiber.io] Sent: Tuesday, 26 December, 2017 19:03 To: Keith Medcalf Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Geolocation: IPv4 Subnet blocked by HULU, and others
I was being playful with the whole "law" thing. I doubt the users would be able to sue me due to title 2 roll backs. "Net Neutrality" allows ISPs to block any service they deem fit, right? So the first step wouldn't even get past discovery to get to court. Anyhow, it would be sufficiently beneficial if we just had a single contact within hulu. It would be even better if hulu came into the 21st century and supported IPv6 like any other modern service. For others who need this resolved for hulu, these are the subnets I NATed/VPNed to get it working. 8.28.124.0/23 23.0.0.0/8
184.84.0.0/14
199.60.116.0/24 199.127.192.0/22 199.200.48.0/22 208.91.156.0/22 208.98.171.96/27
Michael
On 26 December 2017 at 18:54, Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com> wrote:
No, because you have no cause of action known to law. You are not a customer of Hulu and have no right of action.
However, your "users" could sue you for failing to provide proper service or perhaps otherwise cause you to suffer damages.
In the former case you could file a defense and cross-claim against Hulu claiming that it is their problem, and that not only are they responsible for the claims made against you, they are also liable for your costs and so on and so forth.
In the latter case where you suffer damages as a result of Hulu's actions (or inactions) resulting in damage to you, you could sue them on the basis of tortuous interference for their actions.
Of course, Hulu will simply claim that you are negligent and just in case file a third party claim against whomever is providing them with false information and thus tortuously interfering with their business.
Over the course of the following several years nothing will be done to correct the issue, your customers will abandon you and go elsewhere, and in the end no one will get anywhere except the lawyers who will now be able to afford to buy a few more yachts each.
--- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org <mailto:nanog- bounces@nanog.org> ] On Behalf Of Michael Crapse Sent: Tuesday, 26 December, 2017 12:42 To: Sam Norris Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Geolocation: IPv4 Subnet blocked by HULU, and others
I would like to know, Is there any legal recourse we can take against such a company consistently ignoring whitelist requests? Currently, the only way my customers can connect to hulu without getting a vpn error is by using a vpn. On my end, i have just started NATing all requests to HULU through the few good IPs that I have.
On 26 December 2017 at 11:12, Sam Norris <Sam@sandiegobroadband.com> wrote:
Anyone figure this out? I need to get our prefixes updated as well as they are detecting our customers in the wrong city.
Sam
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org <mailto:nanog- bounces@nanog.org> ] On Behalf Of lists@silverlakeinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:28 PM To: Mike Hammett Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Geolocation: IPv4 Subnet blocked by HULU, and others
I could use a contact for all of these as well. I have been trying to get my subnet unblocked with all of these providers and have reached out in many ways to all of them over the past few months, but never get a response.
Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Bump for Hulu.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Crapse" <michael@wi-fiber.io> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 3:38:20 PM Subject: Geolocation: IPv4 Subnet blocked by HULU, and others
I am a local WISP. And my customers have trouble reaching Hulu, Disney now, and previously netflix and amazon prime(both resolved). I have emailed, mailed, and called both HULU and Disney now to get my 196.53.96.0/22 subnet unblacklisted as a VPN provider(no longer so) from their services. They have replied saying it takes 3-5 days to resolve the issue, that was several weeks ago. Can i get contact from
services that can help my customers reach their services,
On 2017-12-15 19:57, Mike Hammett wrote: those two thank you.
Thank you for the help. -Michael