Something must be highly broken at ATT. I have been receiving tons of emails in response to a Usenet posting I made months ago asking if anyone knew how to get out of att.net's private RBL. The procedure: What I did: Called the contact in the whois record... Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: GNMC (VXGTRUVDOO) rm-hostmaster@ems.att.com 3324 Hollenberg Bridgeton, MO 63044 US 314-264-9672 fax: 281-664-9975 Asked for their abuse department. Kept asking and calling back and leaving messages, etc, until finally I got a response. It took me several days. AT&T - please document the removal procedures on your website immediately. You are apparently doing some very heavyhanded blocking and professionalism demands you at least give admins some recourse to figure out why they are blocked and how to fix their problems. ~Ben --- Ben Browning <benb@theriver.com> The River Internet Access Co. WA Operations Manager 1-877-88-RIVER http://www.theriver.com