For those persons who have not received an answer from the Amazon peering email addresses, or a BGP session with traffic actually flowing across it... 

Obviously Amazon does not share their own traffic volume criteria for selecting a peer vs. sending traffic to them over a giant IP transit provider.

I wonder what the actual threshold is as measured in traffic volume from netflow data to/from the Amazon AS before they start taking a potential peer seriously. Obviously if you're somebody big like a regional ILEC or a cable operator that has half of a major city as your incumbent territory, it's not even a question, but for smaller ISPs it's an interesting question to discover where exactly that threshold is.



On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 13:26, Kevin Burke <kburke@burlingtontelecom.com> wrote:

Have gotten into the habit of making annual peering requests to Amazon asking turn up a session on a shared IXP peering.  Once was able to get a peering session turned up, no traffic was ever shifted onto it before we moved out of that carrier hotel a year or so later.  The amazon peering email box does have humans surfing it. 

 

Over the years a number of network operators have mentioned getting little response from Amazon about peering requests. 

 

For a company like Amazon they have little reason to do peering with small scale operators.  They already peer with the tier 1’s and assume I will do what I need to balance my bits.  The fancy algorithms they use to balance traffic around does allow them to operate a decent network with fewer staff and less links to the small ISPs.  Just a network operator here, trying to get my bytes across the wire. 

 

Enjoy your weekend!

 

Kevin Burke

802-540-0979

Burlington Telecom

200 Church St, Burlington, VT

 

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Subject: Re: Amazon peering revisited

 

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On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM Kelly Littlepage via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:

Hi all, a nanog thread started on November 23, 2018 discussed the challenges of getting Amazon peering sessions turned up. Has anyone had luck since/does anyone have a contact they could refer me to — off-list or otherwise? The process of getting PNI in place with other CSPs was straightforward, but I haven't heard back from AWS after a month and several follow-ups. Our customers would really benefit from us getting this sorted.

 

There are many folks that here that are in AWS. Assuming you have followed what is in https://aws.amazon.com/peering/ (and https://aws.amazon.com/peering/policy/) then send me details privately about what/when/who and I'll reach out internally to the relevant folks.