NO Owen, we can't have a single rogue member bring a whole entity that is mandated with an important task for the continent to a stand still just because they can twist the law and quote bylaws or manipulate processes. This is WRONG and shall remain to be so no matter how repeated and "fancily" satinize it with a good read of the mandalorians ways of life. LET AFRINIC BE, and not undermine it's operations or the intelligence of the other members who need it's services. On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 11:59 AM Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
No, Pascal, you are simply wrong here. AFRINIC has the right to reclaim the resources in the event of an actual violation of the RSA or by incorporation the AFRINIC bylaws or the policies passed by the community.
Afrinic knew full well that the bylaws and policy don’t prohibit out of region usage. They brought this fact before the community and practically begged the community to develop policy to prohibit it. The community rejected that idea pretty soundly. As a result, the bylaws and policy still do not prohibit out of region usage.
Given that the board knew that the policies and the bylaws were not actually being violated, their actions were not in good faith and the court has ruled accordingly.
It is your attitude of “the law says what we want to pretend it says” which is perfectly in line with the board which is anti-democracy. Democracy says that even if you don’t like the law, you follow it until you can convince enough of your fellow citizens to change it. I freely admit I am not a Mandalorian and I have no desire to be a Mandalorian. I don’t particularly like wearing helmets or masks and I enjoy communal meals. Further, Mandalorians are NOT a democracy. More like a theocracy. That is their way. Perhaps you should study some of these things before you attempt to speak authoritatively about them, for here you have clearly expressed your ignorance about democracy, the rule of law, and the way of the Mandalorians.
These are the facts.
Owen
On Sep 15, 2023, at 23:12, Pascal Masha <pascalmasha@gmail.com> wrote:
AFRINIC has the right to reclaim those resources should it prove that usage of such is not in any way beneficial to the continent in which it's mandated to operate and support. We will not defend CI or Lu Heng for persisting in this, we the members felt it's a blackmail and the action taken by AFRNIC was in good faith. Anyone supporting such actions as those taken by CI and its sympathizers is against democracy and fair utilization/usage of global number resources and by extension; I dare say, not a Mandolorian. This is the way!
On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 2:20 AM Delong.com via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
On Sep 15, 2023, at 15:05, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote:
A much better explanation of the situation can be found at:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/03/nrs_afrinic_review/
I also recommend that everyone who is not yet familiar with the issue google Lu Heng and Cloud Innovations, the Hong Kong based corporate entity in question which caused this.
Fair suggestion, but I wouldn’t say it’s fair to say Lu Heng or CI caused this. I’d say that AFRINIC’s leadership at the time had an at least equal role in creating the problems and in failing to address Them in a timely manner.
CI didn’t sue AFRINIC for nothing. AFRINIC, in violation of the actual text of their bylaws attempted to revoke CI space and created major disruptions to a number of networks in the process. Had CI not received the injunctions they got from the courts, likely the disruption would have been much worse and caused some pretty wide-spread outages.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lu+heng+cloud+innovation
The short version of this is that a HK based corporate entity claims it is the legitimate "owner" of 7 million AFRINIC IPs.
AFRINIC legitimately issued those (closer to 6M) IP addresses to Cloud Innovation based on justifications submitted. AFRINIC then attempted, using claims that usage out of region is not permitted by the bylaws (It is not prohibited by the bylaws, feel free to read them yourself), to reclaim those addresses.
AFRINIC whois and the courts have confirmed that Cloud Innovation is the rightful registrant of those addresses at the time and as of now. Until a court rules otherwise (which is very unlikely at this point), they don’t “own” the addresses, but they do “own” the rights to those registrations in the AFRINIC database.
(Nobody “owns” any integers… Everyone remains equally free to use the number 5 as much as they want.)
Owen
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:09 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
I think this qualifies as potentially operational.
Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six months: https://archive.ph/jOFE4
Looks like archive.ph is having problems. This is the original article.
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