I contend that if quantifiable evidence exists that setting the peering bar high in the name of selling transit and/or restricting new players leads to a downward spiral in network quality ... then evidence exists that can be taken to stockholders and BOD of those companies. Companies, unless they are run by less than competent management, will not knowingly commit economic suicide. Stockholders tend to have a very low tolerance for management stupidity. Stockholder tolerance now is a lot lower then five years ago. At 6:45 PM +0200 07-05-2001, Peter van Dijk wrote:
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 09:37:10AM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote:
albert@waller.net (Albert Meyer) writes:
Didn't UUNet try this back in 96? A quick search of Boardwatch failed to find the article, but ISTR that John Sidgemore eventually slunk back to the playground and agreed to play nice. If UUNet couldn't pull it off back then, I doubt that CW can now. ...
I am completely fascinated by your assessment (that UUNet didn't pull it off).
It is rare, but I agree with Paul here :)
Unet is, for example, one of the few (if not the only) ISP in The Netherlands that charges for *peering* (no, not transit, just peering).
More and more clued people I know are avoiding UUnet because they don't peer with the small but quickly growing ISPs. Most UUnet customers are getting worse and worse connectivity as other ISPs stop peering with UUnet, because UUnet is becoming less and less important. A nice downward spiral.
Greetz, Peter.
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