Ok, I am really getting sick of hearing, I am connected to 'the Internet Backbone' We are connected to the Internet Backbone so we are better than X and Y put together. I guess this is what happens when you get back from Interop and here all these people, uh they start with USWEST in their name, tell me and everyone else, We are connected to The Internet Backbone. So please someon,e please tell me I am correct in saying to all these not so bright people that there really is not an 'Internet Backbone' that USWest, SISNA (who now claims to be the 3rd largest ISP/NSP and still have only a T1 to MCI, and claim that is a DS3) and all these other people who think that they are connected to the internet back bone. For all that matters, I guess I can say that I am the internet Backbone because it is at my house and you all connect to me via my 28.8 modem. Oh, and for anyone is Scottsdale (sp?) AZ, go to your local Chamber. I saw them talking with a company that I can't name but probally does local phone serverice in Scottsdale, because they want a web page, connections for all their members, etc. etc. They were pretty high up. Well, thanks for all your help. because I wanna be an isp :) Now where did I put that Lart. Christian Nielsen Vyzynz International Inc. cnielsen@vii.com,CN46,KB7HAP Phone 801-568-0999 Fax 801-568-0953 Private Email - Christian@Nielsen.Net BOFH - cnielsen@one.dot PS :)