In my humble but correct opinion one of the things which sabotages these efforts is an aversion to any solution which doesn't feel like it would work quickly and decisively (ask Bezos to offer a discount to anyone using IPv6 to order on Amazon???) I remember back in ~2003 on the Anti-Spam Research Group some interesting ideas* being shot down because that would take ten years to deploy! 2003. And here we are about 25 years into IPv6 still looking for that silver bullet. What might be more useful would be forming some sort of group with the understanding that they might produce a ten year or longer timeline of steps which might more fully deploy IPv6. * In all honesty they weren't all that interesting. But for example "we need to respecify SMTP to stop spam!" had a half-life of about 60 minutes dying on the rebuttal that even if you did that it would take TEN YEARS to get wide adoption of an SMTP replacement. I never saw how such proposals would help with spam but ok perhaps they were discouraged by the rebuts. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*