On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Kelly Setzer wrote: This is relevant, if tangential, to the current discussion on 1U colo for remote ops/looking glass/etc. [...] 4) One nanog member indicated that I am an idiot. Personally, I recently priced intel server systems from a variety of major vendors including Dell, Compaq/HP, IBM, and Sun (intel-based). All of them offered (proprietary?) ethernet-based remote management. None offered serial management. ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/pc_servers_pdf/88p9267.pdf Take a look at page 34. http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hardware/docs/html/817-2025-13/chap2... "Idiot" is a strong word. But you do seem to have some reading comprehension issues. matt ghali --matt@snark.net------------------------------------------<darwin>< Flowers on the razor wire/I know you're here/We are few/And far between/I was thinking about her skin/Love is a many splintered thing/Don't be afraid now/Just walk on in. #include <disclaim.h>