One more post to this thread On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Bob K wrote:
On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
Bull. If I as an individual give permission for an organization I have some sort of relationship with to have mail sent to me by third parties, that's my perogative. What you are in fact saying is that I'm not allowed to give that permission.
The problem is that the sleaze factor that permeates the space.
That's not the only problem. People sign other people up for those lists as a revenge tactic; consequently, those lists are worse than worthless if they don't include the IP & timestamp of when that person signed up (and are still hazardous to use even with that info). One is far, far better off collecting addresses through clear, legitimate opt-in methods...
Yes. That was, more or less, the point I was making, though I did a very BAD job of making it. More to the point - plenty of marketers have twisted the meaning of OPT-IN. Wide misuse of that phrase led me to say what I said, but I didn't take into account the fact many people subsequently reminded me of: it *is* common to have a merchant ask if it's ok to give your contact info to other companies. So, I misspoke. All of the people who took me to task were correct. I'll have to be a little more careful of what I say in the future. -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO - sjsobol@JustThe.net Donate a portion of your monthly ISP bill to your favorite charity or non-profit organization! E-mail me for details.