So, if a network, hosting house, dial-up shop, or anyone else is going down in flames, I do not think the list should be notified until #1) everyone involved is notified and #2) everyone involved agrees no more harm can be done. (We can discuss an addition to #2 like: "or everyone is shut down and moved" or something like that.) Please note I said "everyone involved", not "everyone on NANOG". Just because you run a network does not mean you are automagically "involved" in the death of someone else's business on the 'Net.
All IMHO, of course. ;)
Of course. We each get our own MHO. Mine looks like this: If an ISP is so far gone that they have to actually turn off the equipment and thus they cease to function, then I believe that what more damage could be done _MAY_ be less than the need for the rest of us to know they have gone belly up. Now why would an ISP actually shut off the equipment before they would no longer be able to answer the phones? If this scenario is happening, my guess is their irate customers are not getting any answers at all, and most likely are going to be desperatly looking for an alternative, and probably not a temporary one. Any business that was so bad off that they had to shut off the equipment isn't going to find a miracle recovery if even 20% of their customers bail out or withhold payment. If I had megabucks to plunk down on failing ISPs, I would only be considering buying tangibles from any ISP that had shut things off. Their customer base is shark bait at that point. I don't think it is appropriate in an operational context like NANOG to be pointing out the business problems of an ISP aside from how that might directly affect network operations for the rest of us. But one that actually goes under and throws the big red switch, well, that _is_ an operational issue, AFAIC, regardless of the cause. -- -- *-----------------------------* Phil Howard KA9WGN * -- -- | Inturnet, Inc. | Director of Internet Services | -- -- | Business Internet Solutions | eng at intur.net | -- -- *-----------------------------* phil at intur.net * --