Actually I think the proposed bill leaves AZ and HI on standard time.  The bill's primary focus is on stopping the changing of the clock twice a year.

Arizona time is supposedly MST all year but it is not consistent.  The Indian nations adopt their own rules whether to use DST or not.  Example: the Navajo nations uses DST but Hopi nation doesn't.  You can plot a trip from east to west across AZ and have to change your clock seven times!



On 3/15/2022 12:44 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
We already have this problem with Arizona, which never changes time for the summer. 

-mel via cell

On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote:


If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing the border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done consistently throughout North America.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 12:35, Jay R. Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
The bill is "permanently move all US time zones one hour earlier (-8 thru -5 is
replaced permanently with -7 thru -4).

They are *calling it* "permanent DST", but that's not really what's happening,
in my engineering appraisal.  Or my geopolitical one, but I don't lay claim
to professional opinions there.
-- jra

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mel Beckman" <mel@beckman.org>
> To: "jra" <jra@baylink.com>
> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:19:11 PM
> Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST

> I don’t follow why cancelling DST has the effect of moving the US fifteen
> degrees to the east. Also, your subject line reads “permanent DST”, but from
> your language the bill will be permanent standard time.
>
> I haven’t read the bill, but I’m hoping you can explain your position more
> clearly.
>
> -mel via cell
>
>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
>>
>> In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would
>>
>> 1) Cancel DST permanently, and
>> 2) Move every square inch of US territory 15 degrees to the east.
>>
>> My opinion of this ought to be obvious from my rhetoric.  Hopefully, it will
>> fail, because it's likely to be the end of rational time worldwide, and even
>> if you do log in UTC, it will still make your life difficult.
>>
>> I'm poleaxed; I can't even decide which grounds to scream about this on...
>>
>> Hopefully, the House or the White House will be more coherent in their
>> decision on this engineering construct.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- jra
>>
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