On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 05:11:02PM -0400, Daniel L. Golding wrote:
Jesper,
Do you then suggest the elimination of the ARIN multihomed issuance policy - which is, BTW, the method most folks use to get PI space these days? After all, you can't be truly multihomed without PI space in your scheme of things. This would seriously raise the bar for folks to get PI space in the first place. You would effectively ban anyone doing BGP advertisements that doesn't have their own PI space already. This is a troublesome suggestion. It denies the benefits of multihoming to small enterprises and ISPs, effectively discriminating against them.
Here in europe (RIPE instead of ARIN), you can request PI space, without any guaranties of it being routeable, but it usually is.
I find your line of reasoning, which is essentially "tough cookies" to be unconvincing. I must also assume that you haven't worked for a small ISP or CLEC recently, nor have you had such for a customer.
Actually I've helped quite a few such customers, my recommendation usually is to get PI space from RIPE, and get both providers to announce it from their ASN, this works quite well, and also save a ASN - if the customer really want to run BGP, we have arrangements with other ISP's here, that we find a private ASN (that none of us use currently), and assign this ASN to the customer, and we then strip the private ASN on the edges of our network.
There must be room for providers of all sizes in the marketplace. If this thesis enjoyed widespread acceptance by the major Tier I ISPs, I have no doubt that it would be considered anti-competative.
Naturally there is room for everybody, but things still need to work. /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: Geek @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them.