I promised myself I'd never, ever post three comments on the same topic here, but hey... What I think would be a good thing would be focusing on ONE miscreant, some low-hanging fruit for starters. Just one. And shut him/her/it down, hound him off the face of the earth, get him arrested, whatever, put him out of business. And then move on to #2. Not that it will, one by one, get them all. But it *will* raise the stakes, particularly as techniques are developed. IMHO part of the problem is that everyone is trying to solve the entire problem all at once with some magic bullet. It's whack-a-mole in a Hilbert space, too difficult. -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Login: Nationwide Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*