AceHost.com or Hivelocity. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+michael=spears.io@nanog.org> on behalf of Bryan Holloway <bryan@shout.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:37:14 PM To: Martijn Schmidt <martijnschmidt@i3d.net>; William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Hosting recommendations ... ? You make an excellent point, Martijn ... (and I suspect this is what Bill was pointing out ...) Virtualization on top of virtualization is inherently not the best idea. I guess I'm looking for flexibility in the sense of being able to spin up additional VMs at my leisure. In which case #2 could be suitable in the right environment. ... in which case SLAs would be tantamount to success ... So ... that said, any recommendations? :) On 1/19/21 6:32 PM, Martijn Schmidt wrote:
For #1, are you trying to do "Cloud-ception" e.g. running your own proxmox virtualization on top of an already virtual machine, so that you're basically two layers deep?
For #2, of course you need to be able to survive a hardware failure (using RAID1 or some flavour of DRBD for example) but having to think about such things is the "trade-off" of having access to the bare-metal layer.. it does have advantages, for example if you want to install your own virtualization layer without any involvement from the hosting provider. You'd usually have agreements with the hosting provider about how/when hardware replacements would be done.
Best regards, Martijn ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+martijnschmidt=i3d.net@nanog.org> on behalf of Bryan Holloway <bryan@shout.net> *Sent:* 19 January 2021 18:18 *To:* William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> *Cc:* NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: Hosting recommendations ... ? Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what prevents me from running a Proxmox ISO (which is more or less Debian) vs. a "standard" Debian install on the provider's virtual server?
If I can, I've succeeded. That is the sort of hosting provider I'm looking for, if they exist.
#2 would be suitable, but it seems to be that if leased bare-metal dies, it will be some time for ETR. Less desirable, but I'm open to ideas.
#3 I do now. Trying to move away from that.
On 1/19/21 5:44 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:31 AM Bryan Holloway <bryan@shout.net> wrote:
I would like to stop personally dealing with bare-metal. That's what I'm doing now.
Hi Bryan,
Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host operating systems or hypervisors.
Bare metal = you lease physical equipment. You manage all software on the equipment including any hypervisors needed to run virtual servers. You DO NOT deal with hardware break/fix, that problem belongs to the service provider.
Colocation = You lease space in a data center. You provide physical equipment in your custom configuration.
With this terminology, at least one of your requirements is unmeetable for contradicting the others. So I ask again for clarification: which of these do you seek?
Regards, Bill Herrin