At 07:32 AM 5/29/98 -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 1998 at 12:07:01AM -0400, Avi Freedman wrote:
As a general idea, I don't have a problem with having some resistor to demand for AS numbers, but $500 probably isn't much of a resistor.
But clearly it can take $100 or $200 of time to evaluate a request, trace topology, and/or verify with the future upstreams the validity.
Avi
It requires $100 worth of someone's time to make two phone calls and/or read two signed service agreements?
Perhaps if ARIN is paying their people $100/hour, yes.
(This is a CLERK's job)
Now, I am far from ARIN's biggest fan, but I think Avi's estimate is reasonable. I've see lots of companies trying to hold down costs and it still takes over $100 to handle 30 to 60 minutes of paperwork. Remember the overhead of office space, insurance, etc., etc. Plus it takes more than 5 minutes to actually do something like this. Plus lots of other administrative details, etc. Five hundred may be high, might not, but it is definitely close to reasonable.
If you want a SECOND one for administrative convenience or whatever, now for THAT I can see charging a significant fee. Why? Because its not *necessary* for you to have a second one. You might WANT a second ASN, you might in fact want several of them for policy routing reasons, but that's not the same thing as a NEED for a second (or subsequent) ASN.
Hrmmmmm.... I think this could be a very good idea. There are lots of arguments on both sides, but I think that if you are so large you need two (or more) ASNs - globally unique ASNs - you should probably bear a larger portion of the burden of running ARIN. I mean, if you were really good, couldn't you just use the private ASNs and confederations or something?
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