Sorry. The occupy site was on a shared hosting plan at the company I worked for. Source determined via Whois output for the attacking ip found via our analysis. It was a rather crude dos attack (repeated get requests). At first we figured they were just mirroring the site for offline analysis or something, but it soon became evident they were just hammering the site. Yes we could of sued. However the inevitable stonewalling, endless resources of the feds etc would of made for a long and exhaustive legal battle. This was at the height of the occupy activities. Far worse offenses were being committed by federal, state and local govts during that period than a dos attack by DHS. "Jason L. Sparks" <jlsparks@gmail.com> wrote:
"No attempt to hide the source IP" "I mean, they were using a shared hosting plan"
What makes you certain it was DHS?
Genuinely curious, because this is a hell of a claim. -- Jason
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>wrote:
Would it be futile though? I mean...DHS running a DOS against an American organization is the kind of stuff that makes Constitutional lawyers salivate.
I'm not trying to call you out, btw. I'm genuinely curious why the hosting company itself didn't file suit. You've got a US Government agency abusing your resources and acting in a blatantly illegal manner. That's the kind of stuff that results in letters of resignation when publicized.
Yes. I'm aware of that. It would be futile in most cases, which is a huge problem in and of itself, as that's really the only recourse.
I mean they were using a shared hosting plan. Not exactly deep
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Charles Wyble <charles-lists@knownelement.com> wrote: pocketed.
My point is that the abuse of power is blatant and they are
unafraid of any kind of retaliation. They don't need to hide.
Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> wrote:
"Sue them?" Uhm...yes? That's why we have courts that we can sue federal
agencies
in.
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Charles Wyble <charles-lists@knownelement.com> wrote:
No proxy needed. No need to hide.
While working for a very large hosting company, I once observed DHS hammering an occupy related website. No attempt to hide the source ip or anything.
What are you going to do? Sue them? If they wish to take a site offline, they will ddos it or simply seize the domain under the national security banner.
"<<"tei''>>>" <oscar.vives@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20 May 2013 01:58, Michael Painter <tvhawaii@shaka.com> wrote: >
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/ddos-for-hire-service-works-with-ble...
>
More on the same topic.
http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/05/ragebooter-legit-ddos-service-or-fed-back...
Maybe the FBI use this to commit crimes in USA using a foreign
company
as proxy so nothing dirty show on the books. That way the FBI can avoid respecting USA laws.
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