On 10/08/2015 05:50 PM, Ricky Beam wrote:
You are an ISP. You don't get to say "NO!" to IPv6. It is what the global internet is moving towards. You _WILL_ support it, or you will be left behind, and your customers who have little or no other options will suffer for it.
ISP == "Internet Service Provider". The key word here is "service". tiedyenetworks.com is a provider of services to customers, and I suspect those are retail customers. What he just told you is that the service he provides, in his experience, does not play well with IPv6 AS CURRENTLY IMPLEMENTED IN AVAILABLE EQUIPMENT. On the one hand, IPv6 is "the future" (I just invested a fair amount of cred to get the books recommended to me here on NANOG to get up to speed) but like early versions of just about every thing and every product, there are still a few potholes. tiedyenetworks.com, from my reading of this thread, has elected to limit his service offerings to his customers that he can reasonably support. That's good, solid business sense. Nothing is worse than providing a product that does not work as expected or advertised. VW, anyone?
(windows and mac generate multicast by default)
And unless there is a damn good need for that multicast traffic, it gets blocked. From my edge network, I block multicasts and broadcasts both inbound and outbound. When I was network admin for the web hosting company I worked for, I also blocked a number of ports at my edge, ports that had no business being used in the general case. I had *one* customer that needed to come in using 3309; I punched a hole in the ACLs for that one customer, and damn carefully.
This is just *your* flawed perception. Have you bothered to be an engineer and figure out _WHY_ it doesn't work?
Maybe you missed his earlier declaration: "I'm a provider, not a developer." He expects the equipment to work. It doesn't. Did he ask his vendor? I don't know, but my personal experience with wireless-equipment vendors is not encouraging. Some people don't have the money, resources, or time to winkle out all the wrinkles, so they go with what works in their situation. Consider the rural market: damn few customers, so $150K engineers are out of the question.
I run IPv6 over my 802.11a/b/g/n networks; no one has even noticed! (even with Truly Ancient Hardware(tm))
That's your experience. He has a different experience. I suspect your customer base is considerably more dense than tiedyenetwork.com's base. Did you say you are primarily a rural provider? Mike did. Your earlier traffic suggests your base of operations is more in a city or suburban environment. Apples and oranges, if true.