Any discussion on this or any other public list about joint action could be portrayed as conspiracy. As Paul said, set your financial and carreer affairs in order before doing so. Better for each company's netops to quietly blacklist IPs/netblocks/ASNs as they each see fit. If the traffic coming/going to there is truly garbage, then customers won't complain. If there are valid concerns, then operators can work with their customers individiually. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Paul Vixie [mailto:vixie@isc.org] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:15 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag fergdawg@netzero.net ("Paul Ferguson") writes:
My next question to the peanut gallery is: What do you suggest we should do on other hosting IP blocks are are continuing to host criminal activity, even in the face of abuse reports, etc.?
depending on what you mean by "we", the immortal words of many MAPS lawsuits spring to mind here: "illegal conspiracy" and "prospective economic advantage." simply put, if a bunch of like-minded folks want to get together and decide that a given ISP is behaving badly and all decide to deny peering and transit to that ISP, then you should all first divorce your husband or wife after putting all joint assets in his or her name.
Seriously -- I think this is an issue which needs to be addressed here. ISPs cannot continue to sweep this issue under the proverbial carpet.
Is this an issue that network operations folk don't really care about?
the great unsolved problem in every network is "other people's networks". whether that's networks who won't peer with you, or networks who drop your customers' packets either because of shaping or overcommit, or networks who sell service to people you hate and then run a crappy abuse desk, it's all one thing: OPN: Other People's Networks. OPN's are an unmanageable risk to all of us. netops people generally sweep OPNs under the rug, yes. -- Paul Vixie