Mike, I bet myself you would respond the way you did before I finished processing my mail bag. I won. Sure, 100% packet loss is eminently acceptable if that loss rate occurs not more than 1% of the time. Maybe 10% packet loss is acceptable if it occurs no more than 2% of the time and not in the same breath as the former. Please deliver me/us from all this. The performance of the US/UK link is clearly unacceptable. Geeze, but it would be nice to have a loss profile which would allow characterization on burst frequencies/durations for that, but the carriers serving Dog Island in the middle of the Thames ain't talking. The loss profile that HW is talking about might even be marginally acceptable, in spite of his squawks, but we don't have the data to develop that, right? Dave