On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 15:12, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
In article <CAPKkNb537O5C_FQjh7ucWsF_4USK3EuHcJdkDv-ZJLU8EK1Kmg@mail.gmail.com> you write:
Google still rejects email from my own domain name as outlined in a prior message on this list a month or two ago:
Google accepts my mail just fine, including from my mailing lists. Their goal is to make their users happy by accepting the mail the users want and not the mail the users don't want.
First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out, because I was not a communist. … … I've recently noticed that a whole bunch of mailing list posts end up in the spam folder, too; from small personal domains without a _dmarc, for example, so, let's not brush it all under DMARC compliance, shall we? It's been getting worse in the recent months. The writing is on the wall that Google only cares about the corporate users now. They've already shutdown XMPP and Google Plus; yet the underlying products are still alive.
Perhaps it would be more productive to figure out in what ways your system is different from others. It would also help to stop being coy and tell us the actual IP addresses and domains that are having trouble so people who might want to help can do so.
This presumes that the issue is related to my static setup, but it's not. Last time around, several people contacted me offlist, and didn't find any issues with my setup either. Plus, as mentioned, I myself have never had any major issues with my mail being accepted by Gmail, either, before I started sending myself some cron output with some domain names they deem malicious. There were no other changes to the IP address or to the domain name on my side. Now here's a novel idea — instead of me having to publish the irrelevant details and doing crowdsourced troubleshooting, maybe Google should tell in their rejection messages the actual reason why they reject these emails, or provide such data on Postmaster Tools, instead of the folk having to resort to the random people on the internet trying to assemble and figure out the interoperability issues of the black box that Google Mail and G Suite are? P.S. For my own story, I disabled a whole bunch of cron tasks, and it seems like the "reputation" hit has subsided, but even after a month or so, it seems like it still hasn't healed completely. I'm still using alternative domains in MAIL FROM if the message has to get through, which still works as a workaround (still same IP and all). C.