With the thread that has been going around about being flamed for posting inappropriate subject matter on this list I believe I have an easy rule-of-thumb. Not saying by any means that I would try and impose my own beliefs on anyone or that mine are superior. Merely a suggestion to keep in mind. This list is not the following: Where I can I find this? Who can tell me what where this company peers? Why doesn't my router work? Anyone know if there is a patch for such and such IOS? Can you tell me how to add a route to my commodore 64? Politics What is the meaning of life? Now with that said, if someone were to ask hey anyone know where I can find gated? Then fine that's acceptable but 40 different people shouldn't post to address hey get it here at ftp.gated.com Why not send e-mail directly to that person. If somebody else says hey I am looking for that too, don't post it to nanog, send e-mail to the person who posed the question, hey if you get a good answer forward to me. By applying this practice we can eliminate the unnecessary e-mail and make life a little easier for yourself. It might be easier for you to post to the group and wait for some other people to post to the group but you are inconveniencing the rest of us, you want the benefits you bear the inconvenience of looking up that person's e-mail address and replying to them. Concept discussions are generally well received here, but hey my router keeps rebooting doesn't really need a thread of weeks to follow. Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now and prepare to get flamed myself. Bill Clark New Century Computer Solutions Network Engineer bclark@nccsinc.com