Jack, Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but looking at your website - do you only offer dial up services? This could be the background for a statement like "a proper ISP doesn't encourage any type of traffic." We have a couple of OC-192 running to Seattle, so certain "types" of traffic can make a good day turn very badly without some traffic "management". -----Original Message----- From: Jack Bates [mailto:jbates@brightok.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:58 AM To: Warren Bailey Cc: Richard Barnes; NANOG Subject: Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth On 9/27/2010 7:35 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
Can someone name an ISP that encourages P2P traffic?? ;)
A proper ISP doesn't encourage any type of traffic. We're indifferent. Of course, we'll be happy to mention the benefits and draw backs of using various protocols on the Internet. Demand wise, video streaming to point and click boxes will load the network far more than p2p ever has; granted, in the opposite direction of the normal p2p complaint. My, and my company's, biggest complaint is the lack of improvement on these protocols to play more friendly with customer's other traffic. It is not so much the effects of it on my network, as much as how it effects my customer's unshared link. The "give me everything" tactic, especially on outbound traffic, saturates the link, which in turn lowers the customer's other traffic. Am I the only one who likes to stream video while running bittorrent, surfing the web, checking my email, and playing some online game all at the same time? I'm not going to rag on bittorrent, though. I do have adjustments in my clients to cap the upstream/downstream to allow my other traffic through. Many clients and protocols don't have this ability, though. Some purposefully hide themselves and what they are doing. The only indication is the fact that the "Internet is slow." The people who make this software should sit in a call center troubleshooting why "The Internet is slow!" when various software products are bandwidth hogs (and sometimes are hidden from the customer completely). We, of course, detect the link saturation, but there is no indicator for us to help the customer figure out what they need to disable. Jack