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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest-IX
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From: "PJ Capelli via NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>
To: "Christian David" <christian@cdavid.eti.br>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 10:04:56 AM
Subject: Re: ISP data collection from home routers

Most end users (at least in the US) don't have a choice as many jurisdictions have sold a franchise (monopoly) to one provider.  Either they sign or they don't get internet.

Perhaps 5G will broaden the number of providers end users can choose from, and not be forced into this kind of contract.  But why do you think any ISP would agree to not collect this information?

pj capelli
pjcapelli@pm.me

No one can build you the bridge on which you, and only you, must cross the river of life - Nietzsche

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On Thursday, March 24th, 2022 at 1:11 PM, Christian David <christian@cdavid.eti.br> wrote:

> I think that if the end user at signed contract agreed with this data
>

> collecting and also if there's a mechanism that the same user could deny
>

> the data collection, its look fine to me, there's compliant here in
>

> Brazil with LGPD (our variant from GDPR) and i think that users could
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> see it as a "plus" cause the majority of ISPs don't have a service that
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> inspect CPE WIFI's quality.
>

> Em 24/03/2022 14:00, Jay Hennigan escreveu:
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> > On 3/24/22 06:26, Josh Luthman wrote:
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> > > I'm surprised we're having this discussion about an internet device
> > >

> > > that the customer is using to publicize all of their information on
> > >

> > > Facebook and Twitter.
> >

> > That's called informed consent. And Facebook and Twitter use TLS to
> >

> > protect the data in transit.
> >

> > > Consumers do not care enough about their privacy to the point where
> > >

> > > they are providing the information willingly.
> >

> > That's the point. The customer is providing information willingly when
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> > they post to social media. The ISP is collecting data without consent.