Hey, Bill. The vast majority of what I see is based on financial gain. Popping a web+database server, installing a rootkit, and transferring off the day's business transactions is a lot more certain than popping 10K Windows boxes and hoping the users go shopping. Yep, seen it more than once. Check your PHP-based tools, folks. According to the criminals, Internet-wide mayhem would really get in the way of the revenue stream. They need a stable Internet to get the cash. Cleaning out bank accounts is more lucrative than one might suspect. The current record observed by us is approximately US $3M in one take. Most of them are much smaller. That bothers me more, actually. What person with only US $800 to their name has a hope of rapid response to the loss of all their cash? Just to be clear I agree that home users using Windows are at risk for all sorts of nasty things, and they need help. I also didn't want folks to believe that it is a problem related to one OS or demographic. It's a problem of crime, mostly. Thanks, Rob. -- Rob Thomas Team Cymru http://www.cymru.com/ ASSERT(coffee != empty);