On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 1:07 AM Bill Woodcock <
woody@pch.net> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 2021, at 12:48 AM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:
> just to point out it is not just one guy but a whole region doing business like that.
You’re saying a whole region consists of parties who don’t route IP traffic?
None of the regions require that the IP allocations are used for routing IP traffic. Aside from that, I am saying that RIPE no longer has a "need" policy which means you can have as much IP space as you want without providing any need to own this space. In addition we have IP brokers that expressly buys IP blocks for the purpose of selling - not routing - the space.
If not, you’re making a false equivalency.
> In the RIPE region we had a run with many parties that created fake LIRs to get an extra /22 assignment.
That’s unfortunate, and I hope RIPE revokes any allocations which were made under false pretenses and are being currently used in ways that violate RIPE’s current policies. As AfriNIC does.
None of the regions will do anything like that as long as current policies are fulfilled. As RIPE no longer has a policy of showing any need, no such revocations will happen. This is a case only because the guy is using space from AfriNIC.
> Did they steal that any less than this guy?
I believe the blocks in question are:
154.80.0.0/12
45.192.0.0/12
156.224.0.0/11
154.192.0.0/11
So, yes, 6,144 times less.
Nah, what happened in RIPE with the /22 blocks was on a similar or larger scale. Remember we had a whole /8 plus some for that policy.
> This guy is a small fish compared to the robbery done by so many others.
If you know of someone who’s fraudulently acquired _more_ than 6.3M IPv4 addresses, and is profiting from their being used in contravention of RIR policy, I very much encourage you to request that your RIR perform a compliance audit.
Say we have an ISP with an allocation of 8 million addresses in a country with 5 million people, including babies, a case can easily be made that they have approximately that many IPv4 addresses they do not really need. Maybe they will sell them for a profit some day. But RIPE _will not revoce_ those addresses. Does not matter that the business plans or whatever they did to get that many were totally fake back then. And this happened everywhere. Do not be naive, it was also going on in every other region.
In fact, a case can be made for the whole ARIN region of collectively hoarding IPv4 space which now can be sold for a profit.
Or what about going back to 2011 when Microsoft bought a large IPv4 block from someone who was not routing said block? This guy did not invent the business model!
Fact is IPv4 was a lottery and the winnings have been distributed. A lot of those that played did cheat. They are not going to pay for that now.
What perhaps makes this case different is that he is robbing AfriNIC. I am afraid they are set up to be robbed as the last RIR to still have IPv4 available. Perhaps AfriNIC should just auction it away and use the money to help the internet in Africa in other ways.
Regards,
Baldur