On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote:
Jimmy Hess wrote:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote:
Randy Bush wrote:
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At the ISPs expense, including connectivity to a peering point. Most content providers pay Akamai, Netflix wants ISPs to pay them. Hmmm....
Netflix own website indicates otherwise. https://www.netflix.com/openconnect
"ISPs can directly connect their networks to Open Connect for free. ISPs can do this either by free peering with us at common Internet exchanges, or can save even more transit costs by putting our free storage appliances in or near their network."
From another list, I think this puts it nicely (for those of you who don't know Brett, he's been running a small ISP for years http://www.lariat.net/)
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At 02:42 PM 7/10/2014, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Netflix's only fault is being popular.
Alas, as an ISP who cares about his customers, I must say that this is not at all the case.
Netflix generates huge amounts of wasteful, redundant traffic and then refuses to allow ISPs to correct this inefficiency via caching.
I'm sorry. You cannot take that sentence...
It fails to provide adequate bandwidth for its traffic to ISPs' "front doors" and then blames their downstream networks when in fact they are more than adequate. It exercises market power over ISPs (one of the first questions asked by every customer who calls us is, "How well do you stream Netflix?") in an attempt to force them to host their servers for free
...together with this sentence, without hitting a WTF moment. He rants about Netflix generating huge amounts of traffic and refusing to allow ISPs to cache it; and then goes on to grumble that Netflix is trying to force them to host caching boxes. Does he love caching, or hate caching? I really can't tell. Netflix is offering to provide you the cache boxes *for FREE* so that you can cache the data in your network; isn't that exactly what he wanted, in his first sentence? Why is it that two sentences later, free Netflix cache boxes are suddenly an evil that must be avoided, no matter how much Netflix may try to force them on you? I'm sorry. I think someone forgot to take their coherency meds before writing that paragraph. If you like caching, you should be happy when someone offers to give you caching boxes for FREE. If you don't like caching, you shouldn't bitch about inefficient it is to have traffic that isn't being cached. Trying to play both sides of the issue like that in the same paragraph is just...dizzying. Matt