I only checked venera.isi.edu for pima.az.us. Here is what I got: owlman.academ.com% dig @venera.isi.edu pima.az.us ns ; <<>> DiG 8.1 <<>> @venera.isi.edu pima.az.us ns ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; pima.az.us, type = NS, class = IN ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: az.us. 1D IN SOA VENERA.ISI.EDU. us-domain.ISI.EDU. ( 981221 ; serial 12H ; refresh 1H ; retry 2W ; expiry 1D ) ; minimum ;; Total query time: 374 msec ;; FROM: owlman.academ.com to SERVER: venera.isi.edu 128.9.176.32 ;; WHEN: Tue Dec 29 16:29:55 1998 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 28 rcvd: 93 Checking the US-Domain list of delegates, I see that pima.az.us is not supposed to be delegated. I see that co.pima.az.us is. academ.com% dig @venera.isi.edu co.pima.az.us ns ; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> @venera.isi.edu co.pima.az.us ns ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 0, Addit: 2 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; co.pima.az.us, type = NS, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: co.pima.az.us. 604800 NS ns.co.pima.az.us. co.pima.az.us. 604800 NS tophat.co.pima.az.us. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: ns.co.pima.az.us. 604800 A 159.233.1.2 tophat.co.pima.az.us. 604800 A 159.233.1.1 ;; Total query time: 168 msec ;; FROM: academ.com to SERVER: venera.isi.edu 128.9.176.32 ;; WHEN: Tue Dec 29 17:38:40 1998 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 31 rcvd: 101 -- Stan | PGP Key ID: 55CB6421 | Opinions expressed are only mine. Olan | Phone: +1-713-793-0222 | Email: sob@academ.com Barber | Fax: +1-713-793-0221 | http://www.academ.com/~sob