The whole discussion is cuckoo. Here's a better idea: If someone wants to advertise why don't they figure out a way to do business so everyone is reasonably happy, rather than starting wars and trying to appeal to some crazy interpretation of "rights" made to absolutely no one (letters to the editor, only there is no editor, as Larry Wall once put it)? This isn't assisted suicide or abortion or some similar emotional, moralistic issue. It's spam, it's advertising, it's business (or some bizarre perversion thereof.) If it doesn't make those who have to pay for its resources a buck (or some equivalent tangible benefit) THEN TO HELL WITH IT. All these crazy schemes proposing to make spam somehow more "fair" are just that: CRAZY. Pay money and people will be happy. Steal resources, annoy people to no possible benefit to them, bombard them 24 hrs/day with come-ons for porn and transparently fraudulent business claims and pyramid schemes and chain letters etc and they won't be happy. It's not that hard to understand: Pissing people off is not a great way to do business. In fact, it doesn't work. Anything else is nothing but a pretty good simulation of severe mental illness, very simple really. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | http://www.std.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*