On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 bdragon@gweep.net wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 bdragon@gweep.net wrote:
no .. you win!
It isn't about winning or losing, but how you play the game :)
even where over-allocation is concerned you cant seriously expect folks to renumber in order to give space back. renumbering has to be a no-no.
Why not?
you've not done this then i assume?
I have, including once at breakneck speed, due to "circumstances" it isn't fun, much like writing reports, doing cost-analysis, and taking the garbage out aren't fun, but you do them anyways because they have to be done from time to time.
what provider? a swamp /24 would have been allocated by InterNIC along with your single domain name. The domains, by virtue of a periodic reregistration process, are cleaned up. The swamp space isn't (yet).
if its a direct allocation from arin then you have membership fees, if they arent paid surely thats an indication theres a problem?
if its some sort of pre-arin stuff then we've jumped off-thread.
Perhaps it was me, but somewhere along the road the pre-ARIN /8s were brought into the mix, which opened up (to me) the entire swamp including 128/2 and the swampy bits of 192/3.
you have a slightly different point here, i agree. theres a number of legacy /8s out there, they need fixing. i dont have any answers tho!
As well as /16s, and /24s. A periodic communication of some kind is really needed to cull out the silent lost. Similarly those who are so far out of whack from the rest of us due to fortunate circumstance should be brought to something approaching in-line.
hmm, if its dead then presumably you could achieve this by watching the routing table over a period of a few months and considering blocks older than a couple of years that are consistently not appearing to be dead and automatically reusable maybe?
I think some kind of contact method would be necessary. as others have and will point out, not all address space allocated under IANA is in/for use on the public Internet.
Steve