Interesting. Did any of you note last month or so that Sprint US came out with a notice that they are no longer going to router /30 ptp subnets unless the customer specifically asks for it? Could that be why 10.x.y.z is showing up here? Sprint??? you out there? -----Original Message----- From: Haesu [mailto:haesu@towardex.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:53 PM To: Vinny Abello; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: rfc1918 ignorant Heh, check this out. traceroute to 219.168.64.121 (219.168.64.121), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets 1 216.93.161.1 (216.93.161.1) 0.532 ms 0.518 ms 0.405 ms 2 66.7.159.33 (66.7.159.33) 0.796 ms 0.667 ms 0.543 ms 3 gigabitethernet8-0-513.ipcolo1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (63.211.150.225) 0.541 ms 0.478 ms 0.834 ms 4 gigabitethernet4-1.core1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (209.244.14.197) 0.547 ms 0.486 ms 0.530 ms 5 so-4-0-0.mp2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (209.247.10.233) 0.741 ms 0.729 ms 0.731 ms 6 so-2-0-0.mp2.SanJose1.Level3.net (64.159.0.218) 1.677 ms 1.510 ms 1.549 ms 7 unknown.Level3.net (64.159.2.102) 1.864 ms 1.851 ms 1.875 ms 8 sl-bb20-sj.sprintlink.net (209.245.146.142) 3.110 ms 3.831 ms 3.321 ms 9 sl-bb22-sj-14-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.165) 7.127 ms 3.290 ms 3.331 ms 10 sl-bb20-tok-13-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.188) 113.739 ms 113.731 ms 113.874 ms 11 sl-gw10-tok-15-0.sprintlink.net (203.222.36.42) 114.400 ms 114.051 ms 114.067 ms 12 sla-bbtech-2-0.sprintlink.net (203.222.37.106) 114.207 ms 114.295 ms 114.340 ms 13 10.9.17.10 (10.9.17.10) 101.595 ms 101.580 ms 101.771 ms 14 10.0.13.2 (10.0.13.2) 119.025 ms 118.765 ms 118.833 ms 15 10.4.10.2 (10.4.10.2) 134.809 ms 134.536 ms 134.668 ms 16 10.3.10.130 (10.3.10.130) 134.526 ms 135.004 ms 135.701 ms 17 10.10.0.25 (10.10.0.25) 135.291 ms 134.899 ms 135.293 ms 18 10.10.0.3 (10.10.0.3) 122.515 ms 122.210 ms 121.779 ms 19 10.10.0.11 (10.10.0.11) 135.643 ms 135.144 ms 135.438 ms 20 10.10.3.4 (10.10.3.4) 121.721 ms 121.872 ms 122.603 ms 21 10.10.3.36 (10.10.3.36) 135.069 ms 134.956 ms 135.330 ms 22 10.10.3.107 (10.10.3.107) 121.906 ms 122.708 ms 122.076 ms 23 YahooBB219168064121.bbtec.net (219.168.64.121) 147.137 ms 146.039 ms 147.453 ms -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:07:51AM -0400, Vinny Abello wrote:
Heh... Check out Comcast. A large part of their network uses rfc1918:
2 16 ms 9 ms 10 ms 10.110.168.1 3 15 ms 10 ms 11 ms 172.30.116.17 4 10 ms 13 ms 10 ms 172.30.116.50 5 14 ms 12 ms 26 ms 172.30.112.123 6 10 ms 14 ms 23 ms 172.30.110.105
At 08:48 AM 7/23/2003, you wrote:
Is there a site to "report" networks/isps that still leak rfc1918 space? By leaking I not only mean "don't filter", but actually _use_ in their network?
If someone is keeping a list, feel free to add ServerBeach.com. All traceroutes to servers housed there, pass by 10.10.10.3.
traceroute to www.serverbeach.com ... 20. 64-132-228-70.gen.twtelecom.net 21. 10.10.10.3 22. 66.139.72.12
Kind Regards, Frank Louwers
-- Openminds bvba www.openminds.be Tweebruggenstraat 16 - 9000 Gent - Belgium
Vinny Abello Network Engineer Server Management vinny@tellurian.com (973)300-9211 x 125 (973)940-6125 (Direct) PGP Key Fingerprint: 3BC5 9A48 FC78 03D3 82E0 E935 5325 FBCB 0100 977A
Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com (888)TELLURIAN
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those that don't.
According to the notice they send me on 7/1, this isn't supposed to take effect until Aug 17th or 18th for existing customers, and they didn't mention an option to specifically request that they not do this. However, there was a link: http://www.sprint.net/faq/serialip.html That explains that you can keep using your ptp IP if you request it, but in either case, they will no longer route their end of the IP. On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, McBurnett, Jim wrote:
Interesting. Did any of you note last month or so that Sprint US came out with a notice that they are no longer going to router /30 ptp subnets unless the customer specifically asks for it?
Could that be why 10.x.y.z is showing up here?
Sprint??? you out there?
-----Original Message----- From: Haesu [mailto:haesu@towardex.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:53 PM To: Vinny Abello; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: rfc1918 ignorant
Heh, check this out.
traceroute to 219.168.64.121 (219.168.64.121), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets 1 216.93.161.1 (216.93.161.1) 0.532 ms 0.518 ms 0.405 ms 2 66.7.159.33 (66.7.159.33) 0.796 ms 0.667 ms 0.543 ms 3 gigabitethernet8-0-513.ipcolo1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (63.211.150.225) 0.541 ms 0.478 ms 0.834 ms 4 gigabitethernet4-1.core1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (209.244.14.197) 0.547 ms 0.486 ms 0.530 ms 5 so-4-0-0.mp2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (209.247.10.233) 0.741 ms 0.729 ms 0.731 ms 6 so-2-0-0.mp2.SanJose1.Level3.net (64.159.0.218) 1.677 ms 1.510 ms 1.549 ms 7 unknown.Level3.net (64.159.2.102) 1.864 ms 1.851 ms 1.875 ms 8 sl-bb20-sj.sprintlink.net (209.245.146.142) 3.110 ms 3.831 ms 3.321 ms 9 sl-bb22-sj-14-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.165) 7.127 ms 3.290 ms 3.331 ms 10 sl-bb20-tok-13-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.188) 113.739 ms 113.731 ms 113.874 ms 11 sl-gw10-tok-15-0.sprintlink.net (203.222.36.42) 114.400 ms 114.051 ms 114.067 ms 12 sla-bbtech-2-0.sprintlink.net (203.222.37.106) 114.207 ms 114.295 ms 114.340 ms 13 10.9.17.10 (10.9.17.10) 101.595 ms 101.580 ms 101.771 ms 14 10.0.13.2 (10.0.13.2) 119.025 ms 118.765 ms 118.833 ms 15 10.4.10.2 (10.4.10.2) 134.809 ms 134.536 ms 134.668 ms 16 10.3.10.130 (10.3.10.130) 134.526 ms 135.004 ms 135.701 ms 17 10.10.0.25 (10.10.0.25) 135.291 ms 134.899 ms 135.293 ms 18 10.10.0.3 (10.10.0.3) 122.515 ms 122.210 ms 121.779 ms 19 10.10.0.11 (10.10.0.11) 135.643 ms 135.144 ms 135.438 ms 20 10.10.3.4 (10.10.3.4) 121.721 ms 121.872 ms 122.603 ms 21 10.10.3.36 (10.10.3.36) 135.069 ms 134.956 ms 135.330 ms 22 10.10.3.107 (10.10.3.107) 121.906 ms 122.708 ms 122.076 ms 23 YahooBB219168064121.bbtec.net (219.168.64.121) 147.137 ms 146.039 ms 147.453 ms
-hc
-- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:07:51AM -0400, Vinny Abello wrote:
Heh... Check out Comcast. A large part of their network uses rfc1918:
2 16 ms 9 ms 10 ms 10.110.168.1 3 15 ms 10 ms 11 ms 172.30.116.17 4 10 ms 13 ms 10 ms 172.30.116.50 5 14 ms 12 ms 26 ms 172.30.112.123 6 10 ms 14 ms 23 ms 172.30.110.105
At 08:48 AM 7/23/2003, you wrote:
Is there a site to "report" networks/isps that still leak rfc1918 space? By leaking I not only mean "don't filter", but actually _use_ in their network?
If someone is keeping a list, feel free to add ServerBeach.com. All traceroutes to servers housed there, pass by 10.10.10.3.
traceroute to www.serverbeach.com ... 20. 64-132-228-70.gen.twtelecom.net 21. 10.10.10.3 22. 66.139.72.12
Kind Regards, Frank Louwers
-- Openminds bvba www.openminds.be Tweebruggenstraat 16 - 9000 Gent - Belgium
Vinny Abello Network Engineer Server Management vinny@tellurian.com (973)300-9211 x 125 (973)940-6125 (Direct) PGP Key Fingerprint: 3BC5 9A48 FC78 03D3 82E0 E935 5325 FBCB 0100 977A
Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com (888)TELLURIAN
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those that don't.
James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am =========================================================================
By the way, doesn´t this break PMTU if the far end device has tunnels or such which have lower MTU than on the p2p link? (because the packets would be dropped by loose RPF external to sprintlink) Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: <up@3.am> To: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:44 PM Subject: RE: rfc1918 ignorant
According to the notice they send me on 7/1, this isn't supposed to take effect until Aug 17th or 18th for existing customers, and they didn't mention an option to specifically request that they not do this. However, there was a link:
http://www.sprint.net/faq/serialip.html
That explains that you can keep using your ptp IP if you request it, but in either case, they will no longer route their end of the IP.
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, McBurnett, Jim wrote:
Interesting. Did any of you note last month or so that Sprint US came out with a notice that they are no longer going to router /30 ptp subnets unless the customer specifically asks for it?
Could that be why 10.x.y.z is showing up here?
Sprint??? you out there?
-----Original Message----- From: Haesu [mailto:haesu@towardex.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:53 PM To: Vinny Abello; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: rfc1918 ignorant
Heh, check this out.
traceroute to 219.168.64.121 (219.168.64.121), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets 1 216.93.161.1 (216.93.161.1) 0.532 ms 0.518 ms 0.405 ms 2 66.7.159.33 (66.7.159.33) 0.796 ms 0.667 ms 0.543 ms 3 gigabitethernet8-0-513.ipcolo1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (63.211.150.225) 0.541 ms 0.478 ms 0.834 ms 4 gigabitethernet4-1.core1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (209.244.14.197) 0.547 ms 0.486 ms 0.530 ms 5 so-4-0-0.mp2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (209.247.10.233) 0.741 ms 0.729 ms 0.731 ms 6 so-2-0-0.mp2.SanJose1.Level3.net (64.159.0.218) 1.677 ms 1.510 ms 1.549 ms 7 unknown.Level3.net (64.159.2.102) 1.864 ms 1.851 ms 1.875 ms 8 sl-bb20-sj.sprintlink.net (209.245.146.142) 3.110 ms 3.831 ms 3.321 ms 9 sl-bb22-sj-14-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.165) 7.127 ms 3.290 ms 3.331 ms 10 sl-bb20-tok-13-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.188) 113.739 ms 113.731 ms 113.874 ms 11 sl-gw10-tok-15-0.sprintlink.net (203.222.36.42) 114.400 ms 114.051 ms 114.067 ms 12 sla-bbtech-2-0.sprintlink.net (203.222.37.106) 114.207 ms 114.295 ms 114.340 ms 13 10.9.17.10 (10.9.17.10) 101.595 ms 101.580 ms 101.771 ms 14 10.0.13.2 (10.0.13.2) 119.025 ms 118.765 ms 118.833 ms 15 10.4.10.2 (10.4.10.2) 134.809 ms 134.536 ms 134.668 ms 16 10.3.10.130 (10.3.10.130) 134.526 ms 135.004 ms 135.701 ms 17 10.10.0.25 (10.10.0.25) 135.291 ms 134.899 ms 135.293 ms 18 10.10.0.3 (10.10.0.3) 122.515 ms 122.210 ms 121.779 ms 19 10.10.0.11 (10.10.0.11) 135.643 ms 135.144 ms 135.438 ms 20 10.10.3.4 (10.10.3.4) 121.721 ms 121.872 ms 122.603 ms 21 10.10.3.36 (10.10.3.36) 135.069 ms 134.956 ms 135.330 ms 22 10.10.3.107 (10.10.3.107) 121.906 ms 122.708 ms 122.076 ms 23 YahooBB219168064121.bbtec.net (219.168.64.121) 147.137 ms 146.039 ms 147.453 ms
-hc
-- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:07:51AM -0400, Vinny Abello wrote:
Heh... Check out Comcast. A large part of their network uses rfc1918:
2 16 ms 9 ms 10 ms 10.110.168.1 3 15 ms 10 ms 11 ms 172.30.116.17 4 10 ms 13 ms 10 ms 172.30.116.50 5 14 ms 12 ms 26 ms 172.30.112.123 6 10 ms 14 ms 23 ms 172.30.110.105
At 08:48 AM 7/23/2003, you wrote:
Is there a site to "report" networks/isps that still leak rfc1918 space? By leaking I not only mean "don't filter", but actually _use_ in their network?
If someone is keeping a list, feel free to add ServerBeach.com. All traceroutes to servers housed there, pass by 10.10.10.3.
traceroute to www.serverbeach.com ... 20. 64-132-228-70.gen.twtelecom.net 21. 10.10.10.3 22. 66.139.72.12
Kind Regards, Frank Louwers
-- Openminds bvba www.openminds.be Tweebruggenstraat 16 - 9000 Gent - Belgium
Vinny Abello Network Engineer Server Management vinny@tellurian.com (973)300-9211 x 125 (973)940-6125 (Direct) PGP Key Fingerprint: 3BC5 9A48 FC78 03D3 82E0 E935 5325 FBCB 0100 977A
Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com (888)TELLURIAN
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those that don't.
James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am =========================================================================
Interesting. Did any of you note last month or so that Sprint US came out with a notice that they are no longer going to router /30 ptp subnets unless the customer specifically asks for it?
Could that be why 10.x.y.z is showing up here?
No. :) 12 sla-bbtech-2-0.sprintlink.net (203.222.37.106) 114.207 ms 114.295 ms 114.340 ms In this example, bbtech (the one shown in example traceroute below) uses 1918 as transit space on their network. Looks cute though with so many 1918 hops (heh, not that i recommend it!) -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867
Sprint??? you out there?
-----Original Message----- From: Haesu [mailto:haesu@towardex.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:53 PM To: Vinny Abello; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: rfc1918 ignorant
Heh, check this out.
traceroute to 219.168.64.121 (219.168.64.121), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets 1 216.93.161.1 (216.93.161.1) 0.532 ms 0.518 ms 0.405 ms 2 66.7.159.33 (66.7.159.33) 0.796 ms 0.667 ms 0.543 ms 3 gigabitethernet8-0-513.ipcolo1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (63.211.150.225) 0.541 ms 0.478 ms 0.834 ms 4 gigabitethernet4-1.core1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (209.244.14.197) 0.547 ms 0.486 ms 0.530 ms 5 so-4-0-0.mp2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (209.247.10.233) 0.741 ms 0.729 ms 0.731 ms 6 so-2-0-0.mp2.SanJose1.Level3.net (64.159.0.218) 1.677 ms 1.510 ms 1.549 ms 7 unknown.Level3.net (64.159.2.102) 1.864 ms 1.851 ms 1.875 ms 8 sl-bb20-sj.sprintlink.net (209.245.146.142) 3.110 ms 3.831 ms 3.321 ms 9 sl-bb22-sj-14-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.165) 7.127 ms 3.290 ms 3.331 ms 10 sl-bb20-tok-13-1.sprintlink.net (144.232.20.188) 113.739 ms 113.731 ms 113.874 ms 11 sl-gw10-tok-15-0.sprintlink.net (203.222.36.42) 114.400 ms 114.051 ms 114.067 ms 12 sla-bbtech-2-0.sprintlink.net (203.222.37.106) 114.207 ms 114.295 ms 114.340 ms 13 10.9.17.10 (10.9.17.10) 101.595 ms 101.580 ms 101.771 ms 14 10.0.13.2 (10.0.13.2) 119.025 ms 118.765 ms 118.833 ms 15 10.4.10.2 (10.4.10.2) 134.809 ms 134.536 ms 134.668 ms 16 10.3.10.130 (10.3.10.130) 134.526 ms 135.004 ms 135.701 ms 17 10.10.0.25 (10.10.0.25) 135.291 ms 134.899 ms 135.293 ms 18 10.10.0.3 (10.10.0.3) 122.515 ms 122.210 ms 121.779 ms 19 10.10.0.11 (10.10.0.11) 135.643 ms 135.144 ms 135.438 ms 20 10.10.3.4 (10.10.3.4) 121.721 ms 121.872 ms 122.603 ms 21 10.10.3.36 (10.10.3.36) 135.069 ms 134.956 ms 135.330 ms 22 10.10.3.107 (10.10.3.107) 121.906 ms 122.708 ms 122.076 ms 23 YahooBB219168064121.bbtec.net (219.168.64.121) 147.137 ms 146.039 ms 147.453 ms
-hc
-- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:07:51AM -0400, Vinny Abello wrote:
Heh... Check out Comcast. A large part of their network uses rfc1918:
2 16 ms 9 ms 10 ms 10.110.168.1 3 15 ms 10 ms 11 ms 172.30.116.17 4 10 ms 13 ms 10 ms 172.30.116.50 5 14 ms 12 ms 26 ms 172.30.112.123 6 10 ms 14 ms 23 ms 172.30.110.105
At 08:48 AM 7/23/2003, you wrote:
Is there a site to "report" networks/isps that still leak rfc1918 space? By leaking I not only mean "don't filter", but actually _use_ in their network?
If someone is keeping a list, feel free to add ServerBeach.com. All traceroutes to servers housed there, pass by 10.10.10.3.
traceroute to www.serverbeach.com ... 20. 64-132-228-70.gen.twtelecom.net 21. 10.10.10.3 22. 66.139.72.12
Kind Regards, Frank Louwers
-- Openminds bvba www.openminds.be Tweebruggenstraat 16 - 9000 Gent - Belgium
Vinny Abello Network Engineer Server Management vinny@tellurian.com (973)300-9211 x 125 (973)940-6125 (Direct) PGP Key Fingerprint: 3BC5 9A48 FC78 03D3 82E0 E935 5325 FBCB 0100 977A
Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com (888)TELLURIAN
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those that don't.
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