On Wed, 09 February 2000, lucifer@lightbearer.com wrote:
(BTW, the box in question was taken off-net, and is currently being given the scorched-earth treatment; the person in question will be undergoing education in security principles from a veteran operator, and realizes that the compromise was made possible by their own negligence... now.)
Of course those are their boxes to do what they want with. But if anyone does have a compromised box involved in the current round of DDOS, please don't "scorch" it. Assuming you don't mind losing your equipment for a while, give your local FBI office a call and ask if they want to look at it. They'll tell you whether to leave it running, shut it down gracefully, or just yank the power cord. Hopefully the FBI will work and play well with others, and not do annoying things like seize equipment. They've said they wanted to create a "partnership" with the community before, but maybe this time they mean it.
On 9 Feb 2000, Sean Donelan wrote:
But if anyone does have a compromised box involved in the current round of DDOS, please don't "scorch" it. Assuming you don't mind losing your equipment for a while, give your local FBI office a call and ask if they ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ want to look at it. They'll tell you whether to leave it running, shut it down gracefully, or just yank the power cord.
But first you'll have to explain to them what a computer is, what unix is, what cracking means, etc. I've dealt with the FBI before in cracking incidents. It wasn't until I got in touch with someone from the computer crimes division in DC that I found an agent with even the smallest fraction of a clue. The local and regional offices were useless. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis *jlewis@lewis.org*| Spammers will be winnuked or System Administrator | nestea'd...whatever it takes Atlantic Net | to get the job done. _________http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key__________
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On 9 Feb 2000, Sean Donelan wrote:
equipment for a while, give your local FBI office a call and ask if they ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ want to look at it. They'll tell you whether to leave it running, shut it ....................
But first you'll have to explain to them what a computer is, what unix is, what cracking means, etc......
And to be blunt, remember Richard Jewell. The Feebs have never been known for treading lightly anywhere they choose to be in charge. James Hall knows that. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
At Thursday 12:01 AM 2/10/00 , David Lesher wrote:
And to be blunt, remember Richard Jewell.
The Feebs have never been known for treading lightly anywhere they choose to be in charge. James Hall knows that.
Last but not least, it was the feds (the SS if I recall this right) that stormed Len Rose's house and had his wife and kids lay face down on the living room floor under the gun. This was the good-citizen reward for nothing less than alerting the proper authorities about the passing of a useless $5.90 E911 document through his Usenet server. Money corrupts, but power corrupts absolutely.
But if anyone does have a compromised box involved in the current round of DDOS, please don't "scorch" it. Assuming you don't mind losing your equipment for a while, give your local FBI office a call and ask if they ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ want to look at it. They'll tell you whether to leave it running, shut it down gracefully, or just yank the power cord.
But first you'll have to explain to them what a computer is, what unix is, what cracking means, etc. I've dealt with the FBI before in cracking incidents. It wasn't until I got in touch with someone from the computer crimes division in DC that I found an agent with even the smallest fraction of a clue. The local and regional offices were useless.
Not so true here in Eugene, OR. We have called the FBI and they came right over. She had a good crasp of the issues and ideas....The problem is that they will not do much if the amount of "damage" is less than $80,000.
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