interesting idea, enable it by default, with the option to turn it off (i hope)... my-big-fat-router# conf t my-big-fat-router(config)# no ip clueless Joe Abley <jabley@isc.org> wrote:

On Monday, Mar 10, 2003, at 10:54 Canada/Eastern, Haesu wrote:

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Since most service providers should be thinking about a sink hole network for security auditing (and backscatter), why not have ONE place where you advertise all unreachable, or better yet -- a default (ie everything NOT learned through BGP peers), and just forward the packets to a bit bucket.. Which is better than an access list since, now we are forwarding packets instead of sending them to a CPU to increase router load.

I don't think ARIN can help the situation. ISPs just need to remove the access lists from each router in the network and centralize them.

I totally agree with you. However, as always, centralized systems, while ease management and scalability, everything becomes a trust issue and a single point of failure or source of problems...

I can think of two organisations which could probably take care of a good chunk of the problem, if people were prepared to leave it up to them. The routing system is already largely dependent on the interoperability of bugs produced by these people, and so arguably no additional trust would be required.

One organisation has a name starting with "j", and the other starts with "c".

Joe

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