frank@dticonsulting.com said:

A few afterthoughts after receiving a number of offlist mailings responding to my earlier post of yesterday concerning the naval submarine, Jimmy Carter

I will have to read up on that boat. apropos this subthread, I recommend these two books (I've read both) that lend insight to what can be candelstinedly accomplished below the surface: Dark Waters: Insider's account of the NR-1 http://www.nr-1-book.com/ NR-1 http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/nr-1.htm Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage By Sherry Sontag, Christopher Drew <http://books.google.com/books?id=IpUggPJL4t4C&printsec=frontcover&vq=blind+man s+bluff> SSN-21 Seawolf-class http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ssn-21.htm =JeffH