As the discussion rages on NANOG, RIPE, CENTR and many other uber-technical forums, I would like to see whether we can focus on what we know best - networking. Perhaps a weekly report of fiber cuts throughout Europe (starting from Feb 15) and the RFO that the carrier provided. Of especial interest would be undersea/underocean cuts or strange outages that the carrier cannot explain. Perhaps we can then map where some nation/state is sabotaging fiber or tapping into such fiber. Anyone willing to run with this? -Hank
Infrapedia seems like a logical place to aggregate such data. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hank Nussbacher" <hank@interall.co.il> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 1:09:45 AM Subject: Conflicts and fiber cuts As the discussion rages on NANOG, RIPE, CENTR and many other uber-technical forums, I would like to see whether we can focus on what we know best - networking. Perhaps a weekly report of fiber cuts throughout Europe (starting from Feb 15) and the RFO that the carrier provided. Of especial interest would be undersea/underocean cuts or strange outages that the carrier cannot explain. Perhaps we can then map where some nation/state is sabotaging fiber or tapping into such fiber. Anyone willing to run with this? -Hank
At least 40 years of telco's being unwilling to share information about their service interuptions? They are barely willing to acknowledge outages to their own customers. On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
As the discussion rages on NANOG, RIPE, CENTR and many other uber-technical forums, I would like to see whether we can focus on what we know best - networking. Perhaps a weekly report of fiber cuts throughout Europe (starting from Feb 15) and the RFO that the carrier provided. Of especial interest would be undersea/underocean cuts or strange outages that the carrier cannot explain. Perhaps we can then map where some nation/state is sabotaging fiber or tapping into such fiber.
Anyone willing to run with this?
You do realise there's a shedload of fibre running around Europe ? There are so many redundant paths that you'd have to chop through quite a lot of it before anyone noticed much difference. I mean even within Ukraine itself, traditional internet (i.e. non-satcom) has proven to be surprisingly resilient. ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, March 3rd, 2022 at 07:09, Hank Nussbacher <hank@interall.co.il> wrote:
As the discussion rages on NANOG, RIPE, CENTR and many other
uber-technical forums, I would like to see whether we can focus on what
we know best - networking. Perhaps a weekly report of fiber cuts
throughout Europe (starting from Feb 15) and the RFO that the carrier
provided. Of especial interest would be undersea/underocean cuts or
strange outages that the carrier cannot explain. Perhaps we can then
map where some nation/state is sabotaging fiber or tapping into such fiber.
Anyone willing to run with this?
-Hank
On Sun, 6 Mar 2022, Laura Smith via NANOG wrote:
You do realise there's a shedload of fibre running around Europe ? There are so many redundant paths that you'd have to chop through quite a lot of it before anyone noticed much difference.
Historically, the largest telecommunication outages have been due to operator error & software bugs (or the malicious equivalent). Problems in large networks have more impact. Vulnerability to physical damage varies a lot between countries. Some countries have a lot of redundancy, other countries have limited redundancy. The big question for decision makers are trends. Are these 'normal' outage trends or 'unusual' outage trends. One farmer on a tractor digging up fiber may be normal. Two farmers is a concidence. More than two farmers is abnormal. <Insert my usual the importance of information sharing speech here>
On Sunday, March 6th, 2022 at 23:40, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
Historically, the largest telecommunication outages have been due > to operator error
Yeah, tell me about it. In the very recent past there was a certain Tier 1 operator who decided to move a core router between X & Y within the same datacentre. As you might imagine, this impacted a good few hundred fibres. Physical move happened without issue, router powered up fine, but a large subset of fibres refused to come up. Cue escalation, lots of testing, lots of talking to vendors etc. Eventually 72 hours later the problem was solved. Cause ? SFP signals too high at new location, attenuators fitted, everything came up.
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