We're Back! Outages mailing is now open!
Hi all, We know the wait has been longer than expected and we sincerely thank you for your patience and support. After a lot of hard work behind the scenes, we're thrilled to finally announce that outages mailing list is live at its new home at Packet Clearing House. Please see below instructions for subscription. This launch would not have been possible without the generous donation of time and resources from Bill Woodcock and his dedicated team (Robin McNeill, Andras, Kabindra Shrestha and others who I may have missed) who worked tirelessly to set up the infrastructure. I would also like to thank Bryan Fields for his expertise in Mailman3, which ensured that outages mailman3 platform met the NANOG best practices standard. Their hard work truly made all the difference. Thank you to the community for sticking with us. ++++++++++++++++++ Sign up for an account https://lists.outages.org/accounts/signup/ To subscribe send an email to outages-join@outages.org To unsubscribe send an email to outages-leave@outages.org To contact the list owners outages-owner@outages.org Archives https://lists.outages.org/archives/list/outages@outages.org/ ++++++++++++++++++ With gratitude, virendra rode
Awesome Sauce! And outages-discussion@outages.org is there also! :) - Andrew "lathama" Latham - On Tue, May 13, 2025, 23:50 virendra rode via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Hi all,
We know the wait has been longer than expected and we sincerely thank you for your patience and support.
After a lot of hard work behind the scenes, we're thrilled to finally announce that outages mailing list is live at its new home at Packet Clearing House. Please see below instructions for subscription.
This launch would not have been possible without the generous donation of time and resources from Bill Woodcock and his dedicated team (Robin McNeill, Andras, Kabindra Shrestha and others who I may have missed) who worked tirelessly to set up the infrastructure.
I would also like to thank Bryan Fields for his expertise in Mailman3, which ensured that outages mailman3 platform met the NANOG best practices standard.
Their hard work truly made all the difference.
Thank you to the community for sticking with us.
++++++++++++++++++ Sign up for an account https://lists.outages.org/accounts/signup/ To subscribe send an email to outages-join@outages.org To unsubscribe send an email to outages-leave@outages.org To contact the list owners outages-owner@outages.org Archives https://lists.outages.org/archives/list/outages@outages.org/ ++++++++++++++++++
With gratitude, virendra rode
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On May 14, 2025, at 08:16, Andrew Latham via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote: And outages-discussion@outages.org is there also!
Yes. Virendra, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the intention is for people to post _new_ outage notifications to outages@outages.org, but that _replies to_ and discussion of those go to outages-discussion@outages.org. So, if you want to follow and participate in discussion of the outage events, subscribe to both lists. If you’re just interested in seeing new events, but not ongoing discussion of them (or if you’re using automation to track events) just subscribe to outages@outages.org and you should see a much higher signal-to-noise ratio (addressing the many requests for this over the years). -Bill
Thank you Virenda!! ________________________________ From: Bill Woodcock via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 5:51 AM To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> Subject: Re: We're Back! Outages mailing is now open!
On May 14, 2025, at 08:16, Andrew Latham via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote: And outages-discussion@outages.org is there also!
Yes. Virendra, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the intention is for people to post _new_ outage notifications to outages@outages.org, but that _replies to_ and discussion of those go to outages-discussion@outages.org. So, if you want to follow and participate in discussion of the outage events, subscribe to both lists. If you’re just interested in seeing new events, but not ongoing discussion of them (or if you’re using automation to track events) just subscribe to outages@outages.org and you should see a much higher signal-to-noise ratio (addressing the many requests for this over the years). -Bill _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/SYHOUVWU...
On Wed, 2025-05-14 at 11:51 +0200, Bill Woodcock via NANOG wrote:
On May 14, 2025, at 08:16, Andrew Latham via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote: And outages-discussion@outages.org is there also!
Yes. Virendra, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the intention is for people to post _new_ outage notifications to outages@outages.org, but that _replies to_ and discussion of those go to outages-discussion@outages.org. So, if you want to follow and participate in discussion of the outage events, subscribe to both lists. If you’re just interested in seeing new events, but not ongoing discussion of them (or if you’re using automation to track events) just subscribe to outages@outages.org and you should see a much higher signal-to-noise ratio (addressing the many requests for this over the years).
-Bill
--------- Initially, the intention was for replies to be directed to outages- discussion@. However, they are currently being directed to outages@. I have updated the footer to remind everyone that post post discussion replies should be directed to outages-discussion@ Will monitor to see how this plays out. /vrode
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Good work getting it back up! However, I tried to sign up, and I am waiting to get the email to set up my account and it never arrived, yes I checked my spam filtering. I also don't see any method of support on the signup or the sign-in pages. So I had to turn here for help. ________________________________ From: virendra rode via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 9:32 AM To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: virendra rode <virendra.rode@gmail.com> Subject: Re: We're Back! Outages mailing is now open! External On Wed, 2025-05-14 at 11:51 +0200, Bill Woodcock via NANOG wrote:
On May 14, 2025, at 08:16, Andrew Latham via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote: And outages-discussion@outages.org is there also!
Yes. Virendra, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the intention is for people to post _new_ outage notifications to outages@outages.org, but that _replies to_ and discussion of those go to outages-discussion@outages.org. So, if you want to follow and participate in discussion of the outage events, subscribe to both lists. If you’re just interested in seeing new events, but not ongoing discussion of them (or if you’re using automation to track events) just subscribe to outages@outages.org and you should see a much higher signal-to-noise ratio (addressing the many requests for this over the years).
-Bill
--------- Initially, the intention was for replies to be directed to outages- discussion@. However, they are currently being directed to outages@. I have updated the footer to remind everyone that post post discussion replies should be directed to outages-discussion@ Will monitor to see how this plays out. /vrode
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On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 01:38:12PM +0000, Warren, Tom @ Gainesville via NANOG wrote:
However, I tried to sign up, and I am waiting to get the email to set up my account and it never arrived, yes I checked my spam filtering.
If you were subscribed to the old list, and if you were sorting/filing incoming messages based on the List-Id header (per RFC 2919) then it's possible that the return message from Mailman asking for subscription confirmation went to wherever you were/are sending "outages" list traffic. This happens because Mailman -- in my view, erroneously -- applies the List-Id header to administrative traffic such as subscription confirmation requests, subscription confirmations, etc. I believe I raised this bug to the Mailman folks about 15 years ago, but it's still present. (Why "erroneous"? Because such messages are not actually list traffic and shouldn't be marked as such. Not only does doing so risk their mishandling, but it conflates messages which should always be private with messages which are available to everyone on the mailing list.)
I also don't see any method of support on the signup or the sign-in pages. So I had to turn here for help.
I haven't tested it yet, but I would presume that the standard -owner address (per list) is supported, e.g. outages-owner@outages.org. (If it's not supported, then it darn well should be, for exactly this reason.) Incidentally, one of my users subscribed to "outages" earlier this morning and that process appeared to work correctly. However, a followup subscription to outages-discussion did *not* work correctly: no request-for-confirmation was issued, the address was just subscribed. This needs to be fixed ASAP for what I trust are obvious reasons. ---rsk
Hey Tom, This should have been fixed. — regards, /vrode
On May 14, 2025, at 08:10, Warren, Tom @ Gainesville.
via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Good work getting it back up!
However, I tried to sign up, and I am waiting to get the email to set up my account and it never arrived, yes I checked my spam filtering.
I also don't see any method of support on the signup or the sign-in pages. So I had to turn here for help.
________________________________ From: virendra rode via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 9:32 AM To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: virendra rode <virendra.rode@gmail.com> Subject: Re: We're Back! Outages mailing is now open!
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On Wed, 2025-05-14 at 11:51 +0200, Bill Woodcock via NANOG wrote:
On May 14, 2025, at 08:16, Andrew Latham via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote: And outages-discussion@outages.org is there also!
Yes. Virendra, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the intention is for people to post _new_ outage notifications to outages@outages.org, but that _replies to_ and discussion of those go to outages-discussion@outages.org. So, if you want to follow and participate in discussion of the outage events, subscribe to both lists. If you’re just interested in seeing new events, but not ongoing discussion of them (or if you’re using automation to track events) just subscribe to outages@outages.org and you should see a much higher signal-to-noise ratio (addressing the many requests for this over the years).
-Bill
Initially, the intention was for replies to be directed to outages- discussion@. However, they are currently being directed to outages@. I have updated the footer to remind everyone that post post discussion replies should be directed to outages-discussion@
Will monitor to see how this plays out.
/vrode
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On May 14, 2025, at 8:32 AM, virendra rode via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
On Wed, 2025-05-14 at 11:51 +0200, Bill Woodcock via NANOG wrote:
On May 14, 2025, at 08:16, Andrew Latham via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote: And outages-discussion@outages.org is there also!
Yes. Virendra, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the intention is for people to post _new_ outage notifications to outages@outages.org, but that _replies to_ and discussion of those go to outages-discussion@outages.org. So, if you want to follow and participate in discussion of the outage events, subscribe to both lists. If you’re just interested in seeing new events, but not ongoing discussion of them (or if you’re using automation to track events) just subscribe to outages@outages.org and you should see a much higher signal-to-noise ratio (addressing the many requests for this over the years).
-Bill
--------- Initially, the intention was for replies to be directed to outages- discussion@. However, they are currently being directed to outages@. I have updated the footer to remind everyone that post post discussion replies should be directed to outages-discussion@
Will monitor to see how this plays out.
/vrode
I personally would STRONGLY advocate for setting the default reply-to: for outages@ to go to -discussion. This has been an issue that plagued the old outages list for years and never got better. It actually got worse over time. A brand new list seems like a great time to change this behavior, at least to me. Aside from that, thanks for the work behind the scenes to get things up and running again. ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy@andyring.com
Thanks to all mentioned, Jared, and all the folks that have kepth this list up and useful (since 2006?). We were doing decentralized way before it was trendy, I guess? :) vrode> After a lot of hard work behind the scenes, we're thrilled to vrode> finally announce that outages mailing list is live at its new vrode> home at Packet Clearing House. Please see below instructions for vrode> subscription. vrode> This launch would not have been possible without the generous vrode> donation of time and resources from Bill Woodcock and his vrode> dedicated team (Robin McNeill, Andras, Kabindra Shrestha and vrode> others who I may have missed) who worked tirelessly to set up the vrode> infrastructure. vrode> I would also like to thank Bryan Fields for his expertise in vrode> Mailman3, which ensured that outages mailman3 platform met the vrode> NANOG best practices standard.
What’s the signup method? Tried loading outages.org to no avail. Congrats on getting such a useful utility back online. Norman Jester 619-319-7055 (whatsapp ok!) Mexico Internet Exchange Global Exchange Telecom “Providing connectivity between the USA and Mexico”
On May 14, 2025, at 8:18 AM, Paul Ebersman via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Thanks to all mentioned, Jared, and all the folks that have kepth this list up and useful (since 2006?). We were doing decentralized way before it was trendy, I guess? :)
vrode> After a lot of hard work behind the scenes, we're thrilled to vrode> finally announce that outages mailing list is live at its new vrode> home at Packet Clearing House. Please see below instructions for vrode> subscription.
vrode> This launch would not have been possible without the generous vrode> donation of time and resources from Bill Woodcock and his vrode> dedicated team (Robin McNeill, Andras, Kabindra Shrestha and vrode> others who I may have missed) who worked tirelessly to set up the vrode> infrastructure.
vrode> I would also like to thank Bryan Fields for his expertise in vrode> Mailman3, which ensured that outages mailman3 platform met the vrode> NANOG best practices standard. _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/K3XGZHRB...
On Wed, 14 May 2025 at 18:06, Norman Jester via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
What’s the signup method?
By sending an empty email to: outages-join@outages.org for outages outages-discussion-join@outages.org for outages-discussion Or presumably via web by making an account here: https://lists.outages.org/accounts/signup/ Regards, Lukas
Hello, Was cisco-nsp also impacted by this? I noticed I haven't gotten a message from that listserv since March. Anyone know? -----Original Message----- From: Lukas Tribus via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 2:49 PM To: Norman Jester <nj@jester.mx> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org>; Lukas Tribus <lukas@ltri.eu> Subject: Re: We're Back! Outages mailing is now open! On Wed, 14 May 2025 at 18:06, Norman Jester via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
What’s the signup method?
By sending an empty email to: outages-join@outages.org for outages outages-discussion-join@outages.org for outages-discussion Or presumably via web by making an account here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.outages.org_accounts_signup_&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=aIN7ISapcdIjW9nCkncbXYTAbCZqms7ar-xZnhgamrAKGOFBryPiwz5kHK03Xv3a&s=1USlhcxtE7SXePgMEX0_-BoZTZbG3_b85yDVm4rkPXI&e= Regards, Lukas _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.nanog.org_archives_list_nanog-40lists.nanog.org_message_G4JSQQ6RXA4IHAZPYHNPCYGECXTIWHDY_&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=aIN7ISapcdIjW9nCkncbXYTAbCZqms7ar-xZnhgamrAKGOFBryPiwz5kHK03Xv3a&s=ooC6e99xrgMU8c1_lp2eRdciR7a5a-ZqUL2ZwRbviKc&e=
Following up on this ... cisco-nsp ... is it coming back? Just curious ... it's a very valuable tool. :) Or maybe it moved and I missed the memo? On 5/14/25 21:14, Drew Weaver via NANOG wrote:
Hello,
Was cisco-nsp also impacted by this? I noticed I haven't gotten a message from that listserv since March.
Anyone know?
-----Original Message----- From: Lukas Tribus via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 2:49 PM To: Norman Jester <nj@jester.mx> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org>; Lukas Tribus <lukas@ltri.eu> Subject: Re: We're Back! Outages mailing is now open!
On Wed, 14 May 2025 at 18:06, Norman Jester via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
What’s the signup method?
By sending an empty email to: outages-join@outages.org for outages outages-discussion-join@outages.org for outages-discussion
Or presumably via web by making an account here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.outages.org_accounts_signup_&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=aIN7ISapcdIjW9nCkncbXYTAbCZqms7ar-xZnhgamrAKGOFBryPiwz5kHK03Xv3a&s=1USlhcxtE7SXePgMEX0_-BoZTZbG3_b85yDVm4rkPXI&e=
Regards,
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Am 30.06.2025 um 12:32:25 Uhr schrieb Bryan Holloway via NANOG:
Following up on this ... cisco-nsp ... is it coming back? Just curious ... it's a very valuable tool. :)
Or maybe it moved and I missed the memo?
https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/ Mailman is still broken. I tried to reach the admin, but I got no reply nor a bounce. -- Gruß Marco Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1751279545muell@cartoonies.org
Yes, I also really enjoyed cisco-nsp and hope every day that it returns. -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Holloway via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2025 6:32 AM To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: Bryan Holloway <bryan@shout.net> Subject: Re: We're Back! Outages mailing is now open! Following up on this ... cisco-nsp ... is it coming back? Just curious ... it's a very valuable tool. :) Or maybe it moved and I missed the memo? On 5/14/25 21:14, Drew Weaver via NANOG wrote:
Hello,
Was cisco-nsp also impacted by this? I noticed I haven't gotten a message from that listserv since March.
Anyone know?
-----Original Message----- From: Lukas Tribus via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2025 2:49 PM To: Norman Jester <nj@jester.mx> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org>; Lukas Tribus <lukas@ltri.eu> Subject: Re: We're Back! Outages mailing is now open!
On Wed, 14 May 2025 at 18:06, Norman Jester via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
What’s the signup method?
By sending an empty email to: outages-join@outages.org for outages outages-discussion-join@outages.org for outages-discussion
Or presumably via web by making an account here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.outages.org _accounts_signup_&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfii MM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=aIN7ISapcdIjW9nCknc bXYTAbCZqms7ar-xZnhgamrAKGOFBryPiwz5kHK03Xv3a&s=1USlhcxtE7SXePgMEX0_-B oZTZbG3_b85yDVm4rkPXI&e=
Regards,
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Andrew Latham -
Andy Ringsmuth -
Bill Woodcock -
Bryan Holloway -
Drew Weaver -
Eric C. Miller -
Lukas Tribus -
Marco Moock -
Norman Jester -
Paul Ebersman -
Rich Kulawiec -
virendra rode -
Warren, Tom ＠ Gainesville