ARIN again being impossible. Why are they so difficult? Trying to contact someone in management there (who helped us in Sep 2024)
ARIN is again being problematic. We have some legacy resources that were registered back in the bad old days of the 1990's and are trying to bring them under the ARIN RSA. We also have resources that are already registered under the proper organization, but want them under our existing RSA. They are asking for a document showing that the company is in good standing. We attached the document but they refuse to accept it and are giving us the run-around. We already certified this back in 2024. The ARIN consultant simply went on the state website and was able to see the company was in good standing. Now they want a document that doesn't exist (state provides no such document). The other two three orgs that we are trying to merge into our current OrgId - those may be a bit more difficult - being registered back when you sent Jon Postel an e-mail template to get space. Look, we are trying to give them MORE money (the fee will go up if we add those IP4 resources to our existing RSA). Hard to believe they are this difficult. If there is any management from ARIN on this list, please contact me. Thanks John
I will be reaching out directly, thanks. Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 12, 2026, at 4:53 AM, John Palmer via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
ARIN is again being problematic.
We have some legacy resources that were registered back in the bad old days of the 1990's and are trying to bring them under the ARIN RSA.
We also have resources that are already registered under the proper organization, but want them under our existing RSA.
They are asking for a document showing that the company is in good standing. We attached the document but they refuse to accept it and are giving us the run-around. We already certified this back in 2024. The ARIN consultant simply went on the state website and was able to see the company was in good standing. Now they want a document that doesn't exist (state provides no such document).
The other two three orgs that we are trying to merge into our current OrgId - those may be a bit more difficult - being registered back when you sent Jon Postel an e-mail template to get space.
Look, we are trying to give them MORE money (the fee will go up if we add those IP4 resources to our existing RSA). Hard to believe they are this difficult.
If there is any management from ARIN on this list, please contact me.
Thanks
John
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On 2/11/26 13:53, John Palmer via NANOG wrote:
ARIN is again being problematic.
They are asking for a document showing that the company is in good standing. We attached the document but they refuse to accept it and are giving us the run-around. We already certified this back in 2024. The ARIN consultant simply went on the state website and was able to see the company was in good standing. Now they want a document that doesn't exist (state provides no such document).
We went through something very similar. Numerous mergers and acquisitions, some legacy space, and the cherry on top was that our company went through a name change in the middle of the process. Eventually we got through it.
The other two three orgs that we are trying to merge into our current OrgId - those may be a bit more difficult - being registered back when you sent Jon Postel an e-mail template to get space.
As was our oldest block.
Look, we are trying to give them MORE money (the fee will go up if we add those IP4 resources to our existing RSA). Hard to believe they are this difficult.
They are being "difficult" due to the many bad actors stealing legacy IPv4 space and selling it. Once IPv4 became a monetized commodity things have gotten really ugly. ARIN is protecting your interests, though sometimes it doesn't seem like it. It's due diligence. Keep at it, work with them. Respond to their requests on the ticket(s) and keep at it. You will need to do some digging. -- Jay Hennigan - jay@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
I agree with all of this. I took me years to clear up our Org ID with ARIN to prove our current company was indeed the entity that absorbed the previous company. While public documentation on our state's SoS site clearly showed our old LLC being dissolved, with a new dBa being created under the same parent company, with the same name as the previous LLC, I still had to produce INTERNAL company documentation that went over the acquisition. This is where having an old accountant still employed with the company proved his weight in gold. He remembered meeting minutes, notes, documentation, as well as dates and where all of that was actually sitting in a file cabinet. Mind you, the acquisition took place more than a decade before I came onboard with the company. Nobody thought to update our ARIN account at the time with the new company info and let it fester for years until ARIN had no way of verifying we were who we were saying. Considering the value of IPv4 space in today's market, I don't question at all how serious ARIN is about requiring proof of ownership. While the process doesn't ease the situation, it does its role in ensuring a bad actor can't fake their way into acquiring your legacy assets. Jess Basl SCTC / PTC CO Network Admin *502 N. 2nd Ave* *Stayton, OR 97383* *(503)769-8807* On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 10:05 AM jay--- via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
ARIN is again being problematic.
They are asking for a document showing that the company is in good standing. We attached the document but they refuse to accept it and are giving us
On 2/11/26 13:53, John Palmer via NANOG wrote: the
run-around. We already certified this back in 2024. The ARIN consultant simply went on the state website and was able to see the company was in good standing. Now they want a document that doesn't exist (state provides no such document).
We went through something very similar. Numerous mergers and acquisitions, some legacy space, and the cherry on top was that our company went through a name change in the middle of the process. Eventually we got through it.
The other two three orgs that we are trying to merge into our current OrgId - those may be a bit more difficult - being registered back when you sent Jon Postel an e-mail template to get space.
As was our oldest block.
Look, we are trying to give them MORE money (the fee will go up if we add those IP4 resources to our existing RSA). Hard to believe they are this difficult.
They are being "difficult" due to the many bad actors stealing legacy IPv4 space and selling it. Once IPv4 became a monetized commodity things have gotten really ugly. ARIN is protecting your interests, though sometimes it doesn't seem like it.
It's due diligence.
Keep at it, work with them. Respond to their requests on the ticket(s) and keep at it. You will need to do some digging.
-- Jay Hennigan - jay@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
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I appreciate their diligence as well. I was just at a dead end. I think we got some stuff unblocked. The hardest one of these is a /24 that we got by buying a 20% share of a Canadian company that gave us the right to the block. The problem is, the share was purchased by myself and one other person and that person is deceased. On top of that, 2 of the 4 POCs on the block are also dead. The urgency is that we are one of the victims of Hivelocity's exit from 350 E. Cermak and we need to change providers quickly. Our new provider is requiring RPKI on all blocks and we can't do that without getting all of this sorted out. John -----Original Message----- From: Jess Basl via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2026 12:25 To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: Jess Basl <jessb@sctcweb.com> Subject: Re: ARIN again being impossible. Why are they so difficult? Trying to contact someone in management there (who helped us in Sep 2024) I agree with all of this. I took me years to clear up our Org ID with ARIN to prove our current company was indeed the entity that absorbed the previous company. While public documentation on our state's SoS site clearly showed our old LLC being dissolved, with a new dBa being created under the same parent company, with the same name as the previous LLC, I still had to produce INTERNAL company documentation that went over the acquisition. This is where having an old accountant still employed with the company proved his weight in gold. He remembered meeting minutes, notes, documentation, as well as dates and where all of that was actually sitting in a file cabinet. Mind you, the acquisition took place more than a decade before I came onboard with the company. Nobody thought to update our ARIN account at the time with the new company info and let it fester for years until ARIN had no way of verifying we were who we were saying. Considering the value of IPv4 space in today's market, I don't question at all how serious ARIN is about requiring proof of ownership. While the process doesn't ease the situation, it does its role in ensuring a bad actor can't fake their way into acquiring your legacy assets. Jess Basl SCTC / PTC CO Network Admin *502 N. 2nd Ave* *Stayton, OR 97383* *(503)769-8807* On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 10:05 AM jay--- via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
ARIN is again being problematic.
They are asking for a document showing that the company is in good standing. We attached the document but they refuse to accept it and are giving us
On 2/11/26 13:53, John Palmer via NANOG wrote: the
run-around. We already certified this back in 2024. The ARIN consultant simply went on the state website and was able to see the company was in good standing. Now they want a document that doesn't exist (state provides no such document).
We went through something very similar. Numerous mergers and acquisitions, some legacy space, and the cherry on top was that our company went through a name change in the middle of the process. Eventually we got through it.
The other two three orgs that we are trying to merge into our current OrgId - those may be a bit more difficult - being registered back when you sent Jon Postel an e-mail template to get space.
As was our oldest block.
Look, we are trying to give them MORE money (the fee will go up if we add those IP4 resources to our existing RSA). Hard to believe they are this difficult.
They are being "difficult" due to the many bad actors stealing legacy IPv4 space and selling it. Once IPv4 became a monetized commodity things have gotten really ugly. ARIN is protecting your interests, though sometimes it doesn't seem like it.
It's due diligence.
Keep at it, work with them. Respond to their requests on the ticket(s) and keep at it. You will need to do some digging.
-- Jay Hennigan - jay@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
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On Feb 12, 2026, at 10:04 AM, jay--- via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
On 2/11/26 13:53, John Palmer via NANOG wrote:
ARIN is again being problematic. They are asking for a document showing that the company is in good standing. We attached the document but they refuse to accept it and are giving us the run-around. We already certified this back in 2024. The ARIN consultant simply went on the state website and was able to see the company was in good standing. Now they want a document that doesn't exist (state provides no such document).
We went through something very similar. Numerous mergers and acquisitions, some legacy space, and the cherry on top was that our company went through a name change in the middle of the process. Eventually we got through it.
The other two three orgs that we are trying to merge into our current OrgId - those may be a bit more difficult - being registered back when you sent Jon Postel an e-mail template to get space.
As was our oldest block.
Look, we are trying to give them MORE money (the fee will go up if we add those IP4 resources to our existing RSA). Hard to believe they are this difficult.
They are being "difficult" due to the many bad actors stealing legacy IPv4 space and selling it. Once IPv4 became a monetized commodity things have gotten really ugly. ARIN is protecting your interests, though sometimes it doesn't seem like it.
It's due diligence.
A "transfer lock" field on your IP blocks would do wonders here, same as domain registries. I mean, yes, presumably you would have to have a valid login to *set* that lock -- but it sounds like OP already has that, and isn't just saying "I have this old block that's only in RWHOIS". The other side of this coin is: is there any block for which this level of due diligence should NOT be performed? I don't think so, but if you have an asset you're managing, and perhaps even want to keep using in place, with the same ROA's/RDNS, this feels like a useful field to have. -Dan
ARIN has already resolved 1 of the issues today. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Mahoney via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2026 15:33 To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: Dan Mahoney <danm@prime.gushi.org> Subject: Re: ARIN again being impossible. Why are they so difficult? Trying to contact someone in management there (who helped us in Sep 2024)
On Feb 12, 2026, at 10:04 AM, jay--- via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
On 2/11/26 13:53, John Palmer via NANOG wrote:
ARIN is again being problematic. They are asking for a document showing that the company is in good standing. We attached the document but they refuse to accept it and are giving us the run-around. We already certified this back in 2024. The ARIN consultant simply went on the state website and was able to see the company was in good standing. Now they want a document that doesn't exist (state provides no such document).
We went through something very similar. Numerous mergers and acquisitions, some legacy space, and the cherry on top was that our company went through a name change in the middle of the process. Eventually we got through it.
The other two three orgs that we are trying to merge into our current OrgId - those may be a bit more difficult - being registered back when you sent Jon Postel an e-mail template to get space.
As was our oldest block.
Look, we are trying to give them MORE money (the fee will go up if we add those IP4 resources to our existing RSA). Hard to believe they are this difficult.
They are being "difficult" due to the many bad actors stealing legacy IPv4 space and selling it. Once IPv4 became a monetized commodity things have gotten really ugly. ARIN is protecting your interests, though sometimes it doesn't seem like it.
It's due diligence.
A "transfer lock" field on your IP blocks would do wonders here, same as domain registries. I mean, yes, presumably you would have to have a valid login to *set* that lock -- but it sounds like OP already has that, and isn't just saying "I have this old block that's only in RWHOIS". The other side of this coin is: is there any block for which this level of due diligence should NOT be performed? I don't think so, but if you have an asset you're managing, and perhaps even want to keep using in place, with the same ROA's/RDNS, this feels like a useful field to have. -Dan _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/7JNH2WHR...
On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 6:05 PM jay--- via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
We went through something very similar. Numerous mergers and acquisitions, some legacy space, and the cherry on top was that our company went through a name change in the middle of the process. Eventually we got through it.
As did we (well, the org I was part of at the time) Yes, it can all be annoying, but I agree that it is, in practice, now necessary. When I tried to "legitimize" our existence and move to a (L)RSA it took quite some time. Along with way, we (and ARIN) found that we had: We (well, PacBell) had changed the area code (so phone numbers did not match from the legacy records). We had changed our primary contact phone and email addresses (regardless of the new area code, the numbers were different). The original contacts had long since no longer been contactable (they moved on, or had passed). We updated our official name, and the relevant registrations in all of the relevant (in the mind of our business organization) local registration databases, which meant the old names were no longer available (again, years before we engaged ARIN, and not all local jurisdictions had a searchable history). The only thing we had not done was physically move (I guess that was a plus in our favor), but the USPS had assigned new mail addresses a decade (or so) ago for their own reasons, and were no longer forwarding such legacy mail addresses. It took a *LOT* of time working with ARIN staff, but in the end we got it done. While I personally had wished they would just take my word, I also understand that that was just not viable in todays world (and that was a decade ago, when the level of attempts to decieve may have been lower). Perseverance is necessary.
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