Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!!
Randy: I'm with you to a point. But NONE of the measurements were taken from Jack's house. None were taken from Boardwatch's office. And in fact, the measurements were taken from 27 different geographic locations. I think that is a somewhat critical element here. We failed to come up with a methodology that could be performed from "Jack's House" without primarily measuring "Jack's connectivity" more than anything else. Obviously, that is what I would have liked. Never could come up with an idea on how to do that effectively. Inverse technology appears to be in the business of selling $50,000 marketing reports to order for anyone with $50,000.00. How would that be apt? Finally, I'm amazed at how "trivial it is to point out useless and devoid of meaning this is", when you haven't seen the results yet. It might be even EASIER once you've READ them. Jack Rickard ----------
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Date: Friday, June 27, 1997 3:00 PM
I want to measure the response of each ISP's marketing department. So I will send a certified letter to their office of record in Deleware, and report how long before I get the receipt back. Maybe I well do this for 30 letters to get better data.
So, we now have an interesting report of the accessibility of various ISPs' web servers from Jack's house. While it is trivial to point out how useless and devoid of meaning this is, what is a wee bit harder is to describe what would be a useful measure to Jack's audience and how that might be obtained.
Ben Black's pointing out http://www.inversenet.com/about/backgrounder.html#2 may be *very* apt, and somewhat ingenious, considering Jack's audience.
Are there other good ideas or examples?
randy
On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Jack Rickard wrote:
Inverse technology appears to be in the business of selling $50,000 marketing reports to order for anyone with $50,000.00. How would that be apt?
are you saying their results are irrelevant because they charge money? what is the cost cutoff before a report is invalid due to cost? dazzle us with your keen insight.
Finally, I'm amazed at how "trivial it is to point out useless and devoid of meaning this is", when you haven't seen the results yet. It might be even EASIER once you've READ them.
Jack Rickard
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From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Date: Friday, June 27, 1997 3:00 PM
I want to measure the response of each ISP's marketing department. So I will send a certified letter to their office of record in Deleware, and report how long before I get the receipt back. Maybe I well do this for 30 letters to get better data.
So, we now have an interesting report of the accessibility of various ISPs' web servers from Jack's house. While it is trivial to point out how useless and devoid of meaning this is, what is a wee bit harder is to describe what would be a useful measure to Jack's audience and how that might be obtained.
Ben Black's pointing out http://www.inversenet.com/about/backgrounder.html#2 may be *very* apt, and somewhat ingenious, considering Jack's audience.
Are there other good ideas or examples?
randy
Jack Rickard wrote:
Randy:
I'm with you to a point. But NONE of the measurements were taken from Jack's house. None were taken from Boardwatch's office. And in fact, the measurements were taken from 27 different geographic locations. I think that is a somewhat critical element here. We failed to come up with a methodology that could be performed from "Jack's House" without primarily measuring "Jack's connectivity" more than anything else. Obviously, that is what I would have liked. Never could come up with an idea on how to do that effectively.
Inverse technology appears to be in the business of selling $50,000 marketing reports to order for anyone with $50,000.00. How would that be apt?
Finally, I'm amazed at how "trivial it is to point out useless and devoid of meaning this is", when you haven't seen the results yet. It might be even EASIER once you've READ them.
Okay, point taken, we'll wait until we get the 35 "color glossy photos with the lines and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one to explain what each picture means" and then decide how useless/useful the info is. SO now lets _drop_ it. Ah the sage said, "He protesteth too much sire"
Jack Rickard
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From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Date: Friday, June 27, 1997 3:00 PM
I want to measure the response of each ISP's marketing department. So I will send a certified letter to their office of record in Deleware, and report how long before I get the receipt back. Maybe I well do this for 30 letters to get better data.
So, we now have an interesting report of the accessibility of various ISPs' web servers from Jack's house. While it is trivial to point out how useless and devoid of meaning this is, what is a wee bit harder is to describe what would be a useful measure to Jack's audience and how that might be obtained.
Ben Black's pointing out http://www.inversenet.com/about/backgrounder.html#2 may be *very* apt, and somewhat ingenious, considering Jack's audience.
Are there other good ideas or examples?
randy
All, What would be the effect of a web cacheing or HTTP redirect on a test that measures web server performance as backbone performance? -scott
I want to measure the response of each ISP's marketing department. So I will send a certified letter to their office of record in Deleware, and report how long before I get the receipt back. Maybe I well do this for 30 letters to get better data. I'm with you to a point. But NONE of the measurements were taken from Jack's house.
So send the registered letters from 50 places. Same basic conceptual error. You are not measuring anything like what you claim. But you seem not to want to hear this, so I will plonk this whole embarrassing (to you) thread. Bye now. randy
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