At 12:55 PM 2/3/1999 -0500, Christopher Neill wrote:

On Tue, Feb 02, 1999 at 09:43:41PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:

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Of course, this is all moot with mutual consent. But then you have to show where Norcal signed off on Verio's policy. Since they aren't Verio's customer, it doesn't seem likely they agreed to Verio's policy. And of course, if Norcal claims they didn't agree to allow Verio to monitor and publish their traffic, and Verio has no paper that Norcal did agree, it seems difficult for Verio to prove that Norcal did agree. Which adds up to something called "exposure".

Read our policy: http://www.qual.net/support/aup.html

Our customer, let's call them "X", agrees to our policy. Our policy clearly states that their connection is at will, and can be terminated or restricted at any time by us.

So there you have it, CYA.

I did read it. It seems to be geared to dialin users. It mentions 2701 (stored communications) and says it will comply with applicable laws. However, perhaps you could send me a copy of the agreement that I signed with Verio. Or perhaps you can give me a copy of the agreement Norcal signed with Verio. I'm two providers away from Verio. Norcal is 3 providers away from Verio. Privacy laws apply to our communications that go through Verio. That was the purpose: To control your behavior when given access to our communications. But you also didn't answer answer the big question: Does Verio think that it can monitor and publish the communications that pass through it? Apparently it does. Your Peers should take note of that. Their customers should take note of that, too. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++