Hello, Who can provide me an IPv4 multicast tunnel with a mbgp session ? My multicast router is located at Paris, FR. Thanks Best Regards, -- Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware NOC Website: http://noc.ndsoftwarenet.com/ FNIX6: http://www.fnix6.net/ #nocpeople @ IRCnet
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 12:33:52AM +0100, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote:
Who can provide me an IPv4 multicast tunnel with a mbgp session ?
My multicast router is located at Paris, FR.
Why don't you ask on your own continent? Is there any particular attractive idea behind sending traffic unnecessarily over the Atlantic which I miss? Regards, Daniel
On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 01:39, Daniel Roesen wrote:
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 12:33:52AM +0100, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote:
Who can provide me an IPv4 multicast tunnel with a mbgp session ?
My multicast router is located at Paris, FR.
Why don't you ask on your own continent? Is there any particular attractive idea behind sending traffic unnecessarily over the Atlantic which I miss?
I don't find better list for my question and a lot of european people read this list. Best Regards, -- Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware NOC Website: http://noc.ndsoftwarenet.com/ FNIX6: http://www.fnix6.net/ #nocpeople @ IRCnet
Try the folks at inria.fr. They seem to be the most involved in the French MultiCast efforts(Mbone) JC ND> On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 01:39, Daniel Roesen wrote:
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 12:33:52AM +0100, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote:
Who can provide me an IPv4 multicast tunnel with a mbgp session ?
My multicast router is located at Paris, FR.
Why don't you ask on your own continent? Is there any particular attractive idea behind sending traffic unnecessarily over the Atlantic which I miss?
ND> I don't find better list for my question and a lot of european people ND> read this list. ND> Best Regards,
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 01:46:44AM +0100, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote:
Who can provide me an IPv4 multicast tunnel with a mbgp session ?
My multicast router is located at Paris, FR.
Why don't you ask on your own continent? Is there any particular attractive idea behind sending traffic unnecessarily over the Atlantic which I miss?
I don't find better list for my question and a lot of european people read this list.
RIPE Mbone working group: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/mbone/index.html has a mailing list: http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/mbone-eu-op Regards, Daniel
Dear Nicolas; 1.) We can do it, but we will charge for it. 2.) Better lists for such discussion are IPMulticast from ServiceNetworks.com (for commercial issues) http://www.servicenetworks.com/SNEditorial/forums.asp#IPMulticast MBoned (for deployment issues). majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu 3.) You should try and get native multicast instead of a tunnel. For either, in France you might try noos.fr francetelecom.fr Renater.fr inria.fr All of which have multicast peering set up. Naino offers commercial multicast service in France (see http://www.multicast-isp-list.com ) + Naino SA Sales Office 21, rue Bargue 75015 Paris France + Tel: +33 1 56 58 01 14 + Fax: +33 1 43 33 52 67 + info@naino.net And, finally, there are in France the usual big players who will give you multicast if you have a connection to them, such as Sprint. Regards Marshall Eubanks On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 07:46 PM, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote:
On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 01:39, Daniel Roesen wrote:
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 12:33:52AM +0100, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote:
Who can provide me an IPv4 multicast tunnel with a mbgp session ?
My multicast router is located at Paris, FR.
Why don't you ask on your own continent? Is there any particular attractive idea behind sending traffic unnecessarily over the Atlantic which I miss?
I don't find better list for my question and a lot of european people read this list.
Best Regards,
-- Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware NOC Website: http://noc.ndsoftwarenet.com/ FNIX6: http://www.fnix6.net/ #nocpeople @ IRCnet
T.M. Eubanks Multicast Technologies, Inc. 10301 Democracy Lane, Suite 410 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 Phone : 703-293-9624 Fax : 703-293-9609 e-mail : tme@multicasttech.com http://www.multicasttech.com Test your network for multicast : http://www.multicasttech.com/mt/ Status of Multicast on the Web : http://www.multicasttech.com/status/index.html
## On 2002-12-28 01:39 +0100 Daniel Roesen typed: DR> DR> DR> Why don't you ask on your own continent? Is there any particular DR> attractive idea behind sending traffic unnecessarily over the Atlantic DR> which I miss? DR> Seems your network(cluenet.de) finds sending traffic that way attractive Otherwise why does traffic from Israel(via Italy) to your website in Germany go via C&W in the USA ? -- Rafi --- Tracing the route to www.cluenet.de (62.208.181.129) 1 128.139.216.1 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 2 62.40.103.225 [AS 20965] 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 3 il.it1.it.geant.net (62.40.96.154) [AS 20965] 52 msec 56 msec 52 msec 4 so-0-1-0.ar2.LIN1.gblx.net (208.48.23.157) 88 msec 88 msec 88 msec 5 pos4-0-622M.cr1.LIN1.gblx.net (208.51.236.57) 88 msec 88 msec 88 msec 6 pos0-0-622M.cr1.WDC2.gblx.net (208.178.174.78) 168 msec 168 msec 168 msec 7 so1-2-0-2488M.ar1.DCA3.gblx.net (64.214.65.141) 172 msec 168 msec 172 msec 8 bpr2-so-7-3-0.VirginiaEquinix.cw.net (208.173.50.237) 172 msec 168 msec 172 msec 9 bpr1-ae0.VirginiaEquinix.cw.net (208.173.50.254) 172 msec 168 msec 172 msec 10 dcr1-so-4-3-0.Washington.cw.net (208.173.52.114) 172 msec 172 msec 172 msec 11 bcr1.Frankfurt.cw.net (166.63.194.61) 160 msec bcr2.Frankfurt.cw.net (166.63.194.62) 160 msec 160 msec 12 iar1.Frankfurt.cw.net (166.63.194.6) 164 msec 160 msec 160 msec 13 cable-and-wireless-internal-isp.Frankfurt.cw.net (166.63.198.38) 160 msec 160 msec 160 msec 14 ge-0-0-0-100-crj2-FFM1.de.cw.net (62.208.244.66) 160 msec 160 msec 164 msec 15 so-6-0-0-crj2-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.240.206) 168 msec 168 msec 168 msec 16 vlan56-r10-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.225.10) 168 msec 348 msec 168 msec 17 www.cluenet.de (62.208.181.129) 168 msec 272 msec 168 msec mcast#
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:02:35AM +0200, Rafi Sadowsky wrote:
Seems your network(cluenet.de) finds sending traffic that way attractive
Otherwise why does traffic from Israel(via Italy) to your website in Germany go via C&W in the USA ?
You mix up two things. A technical discussion (what the thread is about) and a commercial/policy/politics discussion (that's what you're trying to make up here... or are you just baiting?). Then again, you also mix up direction of traffic. Traceroute from here to you doesn't go via the US: traceroute to 128.139.216.1 (128.139.216.1): 1-30 hops, 38 byte packets 1 fe5-1-r10-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.181.1) 0.685/0.997/1.27 (0.240) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 2 ge9-0-bb1-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.225.20) 0.434/0.616/0.760 (0.135) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 3 ge-0-1-0-arj2-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.225.16) 0.528/0.694/0.811 (0.120) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 4 zcr1-ge-4-1-0.Munich.cw.net (208.175.230.21) 0.514/0.680/0.803 (0.121) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 5 zcr2-ge-4-3-0-5.Munich.cw.net (208.175.230.254) 7.94/7.99/8.01 (0.031) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 6 bcr2-so-3-0-0.Frankfurt.cw.net (166.63.193.209) 7.68/7.85/7.95 (0.120) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 7 bcr1.Paris.cw.net (208.172.250.61) 16.6/16.6/16.6 (0.021) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 8 cable-and-wireless-peering.Paris.cw.net (208.172.251.182) 16.5/16.5/16.6 (0.051) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 9 prs-bb1-pos0-3-0.telia.net (213.248.70.1) 16.6/16.7/16.8 (0.106) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 10 ffm-bb1-pos2-1-0.telia.net (213.248.64.190) 16.6/16.7/16.8 (0.083) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 11 ffm-new-b2-pos2-1.telia.net (213.248.64.174) 16.7/16.8/17.0 (0.118) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 12 dante-01232-ffm-new-b2.c.telia.net (213.248.77.90) 107/107/107 (0.027) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 13 de1-1.de2.de.geant.net (62.40.96.130) 107/107/107 (0.038) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 14 de.it1.it.geant.net (62.40.96.62) 116/116/117 (0.424) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 15 it.il1.il.geant.net (62.40.96.153) 168/168/168 (0.092) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss) 16 62.40.103.226 (62.40.103.226) * * 169/169/169 (0.000) ms 1/3 pkts (67% loss) Not perfect (Frankfurt->Paris->Frankfurt), but stays in EU (before going to .il). So you should probably discuss your route to me with your uplink if you're unhappy with the path it takes. Please follow up via private mail if you really desire, but keep this debate off NANOG, thanks. Regards, Daniel
Hi Nicolas It seems you have an IPv6 tunnel to SWITCH - AFAIK they should be getting an MBONE feed via GEANT Why not ask them(since you seem to already have a working arrangement)? Alternatively try Renater (the French NRN) who is also downstream from GEANT -- Rafi ## On 2002-12-28 00:33 +0100 Nicolas DEFFAYET typed: ND> ND> Hello, ND> ND> Who can provide me an IPv4 multicast tunnel with a mbgp session ? ND> ND> My multicast router is located at Paris, FR. ND>
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